USAF F-16 nails Taliban insurgents who shot down a CH-47

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Unread post10 Aug 2011, 21:19

<a href="http://www.f-16.net/news_article4407.html">USAF F-16 kill Talibans responsible for shot down helicopter</a>

So do you all reckon they used a JDAM to blow up the Taliban?
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Unread post10 Aug 2011, 22:14

Wow, quicker than I thought...they must have hounded them relentlessly....glad to hear it.
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Unread post11 Aug 2011, 02:03

Lieven, my money is on a GBU-12 not a 38.
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Unread post11 Aug 2011, 04:10

They should have C-17-dropped a crate or two of new RPG launchers with spiffy new variant rockets that go pop on pulling the trigger.
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Unread post11 Aug 2011, 06:37

But what fun would that be for the striker aircraft? :lol:
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Unread post11 Aug 2011, 07:57

Never underestimate your enemy.
This is not a good topic where we can have humor.

An illiterate farmer took out an entire SEAL team, a high tech helicopter and other support personel and equipment with a 200 USD RPG-7.

By the way, it sounds ridicolous they identified THE MAN. Anyway a good morale booster after the worst military deafeat for the US since 1983 Beirut barracks bombing.
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Unread post11 Aug 2011, 11:28

How the hell do they know the got the bastards who shot down that Chinook?
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Unread post11 Aug 2011, 12:52

discofishing wrote:How the hell do they know the got the bastards who shot down that Chinook?


Ding! Been trying to figure this out myself.
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Unread post11 Aug 2011, 13:30

Maybe by doing hard Sigint there, these guys tend to brag about their kills. If they can locate him, the rest is easy. Remember Zarqawi, the same method.
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Unread post11 Aug 2011, 22:37

I have no inside knowledge, but my guess would be that we used GBU-38s or -54s (Laser JDAM) to tag them based on fairly current loadouts for OEF Vipers. It's not surprising we were able to ID the shooter - I am a little surprised on how fast and open we have been that we got him. It sounds like it became a pretty high priority - maybe to help our SOCOM bro's out.
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Unread post11 Aug 2011, 22:40

There are assets out there that can give our guys on the ground a good start. Remember, the folks who were killed were not the only boots on ground there. The other players went into the village looking for information. As is typically the case (and has been for many years), the townsfolk who didn't want any terrorists in their village dimed the shooters out.

From there, they were spotted trying to run away into Pakistan.

Instead of questioning the abilities of our SpecOps troops, our Recon assets, and the pilot who struck the insurgent, why not simply praise the Viper pilot who took them out?
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Unread post12 Aug 2011, 00:13

I have read a bunch of articles on the shootdown of the Chinook, but the circumstances still seem a little vague. Did the aircraft go down at higher altitude? Was this mission at night? After all, this is not the first time a significant amount of US Navy SEALs were lost in a Chinook downing.
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Unread post12 Aug 2011, 04:34

geogen wrote:They should have C-17-dropped a crate or two of new RPG launchers with spiffy new variant rockets that go pop on pulling the trigger.


We used to cut the recoil springs on the AK's and put them back where we found them...sure they'd get one round off...before the bolt met their face.
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Unread post12 Aug 2011, 05:50

JDAM probably did it. Wish it would have been good ole napalm. I'd like to know if the was some kind of security breach on the part of the "friendly" Afghan forces giving the Taliban the heads up of the special ops launch. I say get anyone who may have been involved, including and up to Karzai.
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Unread post12 Aug 2011, 07:35

NATO said they caught the taliban fighters just to make the world think anyone will pay when against the NATO forces. Obviously it's part of the normal propaganda war and this is perfect. Propaganda war from both sides is part of the war too. Think about it, it's the classic Hollywood movie schema when at the end the evil guys pay with their life.

Anyway who cares about a lucky illiterate Afghan farmer?

The shooter is in his hut, with the RPG-7 next to him and he will be remembered as "the one who destroyed all the SEALs", local families are fighting to have him marring one of their daughters and he will be the biggest Afghan hero for many years to come. Nothing wrong in this.

Going out of propaganda war and coming back to infantry tactics and lesson learned, NATO should revise the airborne cavalry tactics. This high rate of helicopter casualties were acceptable in Vietnam War, not today. I think they should not pack an H-47 or H-53 like that and probably these kind of bigger helicopters should be kept out of the battlefield. Nothing bigger than a Black Hawk should fly under fire.
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