Scorpion82 wrote:By posting anti Eurofighter garbage articles?
Scorpion82 wrote:The first page is about the F-22, the second about the Eurofighter. But the costs appear to be pulled out of their rears and have nothing to do with the real cost of the aircraft. How do they arrive at this ridiculous figure?
Scorpion82 wrote:Tranche 3 wasn't ordered at that time, they falsely spread the expected total cost for the purchase of 232 aircraft over 144 on order. That's all.
The first phase of the Future Capability Programme will integrate Paveway IV and the Litening III Laser Designator Pod onto Tranche 2 aircraft from 2012 as well as interoperability upgrades without which those aircraft will be neither compliant with new civil airspace regulations nor interoperable with key coalition allies. It will also provide the Human Machine Interface for Multi-Role operations, allowing Typhoon to fulfil air-to-air and air-to-surface operations with the current, planned and projected weapons.
Scorpion82 wrote:Fact is if you compare like with like the F-22 is still more expensive by a fair margine and the articles figure of 200 mln pound is simply nonsense. No one says it's cheap or denies that the costs hasn't increased for various reasons.
the NAO report includes all kind of costs associated with the aircraft, the cost given is not fly-away price, not even close to that definition. The value of the different tranche production contracts gives you a clue about fly-away equivalent costs. I don't know the value of the T1 contract out of my head, but in 2007 there was a request from german parliamentaries to the MoD with regards to the Typhoon. One question was about costs and the answer was 53 mln € without VAT and 57mln € with VAT per aircraft. The T2 contract signed on 14th December 2004 was valued at 13 bln € for 236 aircraft that makes ~55 mln € per aircraft. The T3A contract signed on 31st July 2009 was valued at 9.1 bln € including 2.5 bln € for upgrading T1 and T2 examples. That leaves some 7.6 bln € for 112 T3A examples which makes ~59 mln € per aircraft.
Those values are fix, in other words fixed prices. They don't include development costs, spares, support contracts, equipment to run the aircraft or costs for upgrading them to later standards. This is what sums up the total cost. The ~140 mln $ fly-away figure for the F-22 doesn't include anything like that, so its the base to compare, not fly-away of the F-22 with the stated UPC of the Typhoon which includes much more.
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