Two f-16 fighters create a panic in Belgium

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Unread post25 Feb 2009, 17:55

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Deux F16 sèment la panique en Flandre

24/02/2009 - © BAUWERAERTS

En voulant intercepter un avion civil, les avions militaires ont traversé le mur du son. Plus de peur que de mal...

GAND Les polices locales de la région gantoise ont reçu mardi midi des appels de personnes inquiètes à la suite des conséquences provoquées par le passage du mur du son par deux avions de chasse F16. Ces deux appareils effectuaient une mission d'interception d'un avion civil. A la suite des "bang" provoqués par le passage du mur du son, le central téléphonique 100 de Flandre orientale a reçu des dizaines d'appels mardi après-midi, vers 14h00. Les appels concernaient principalement des petits effets comme la vibration des vitres ou des bourdonnements d'oreille. Aucun dégât important n'a cependant été signalé.

Les deux F16 à l'origine de ces problèmes sont basés à Florennes. Ils avaient reçu l'ordre d'intercepter un avion civil qui ne répondait pas aux communications radio, a expliqué Ingrid Baeck, porte-parole de la Défense.
Ce cas de figure est toujours considéré comme une possible menace. Mais ce n'était pas le cas et le contact a pu être rétabli avec l'avion civil au-dessus de la Mer du Nord, a encore précisé la Défense. La rupture de la communication était tout simplement due à un problème de fréquences radio. L'avion, à destination de l'Angleterre, a pu poursuivre son vol normalement. Un autre cas similaire était déjà arrivé il y a un peu moins de deux ans dans le ciel belge.

© La Dernière Heure 2009
Source: http://www.dhnet.be/infos/faits-divers/ ... andre.html


Two f-16 fighters create a panic in Flanders

"To intercept a civilian plane, the fighters breached the wall of sound. (...) Ghet Police received Tuesday a lot of phone call from people worrying after the shockwave provoked by two F-16 fighters breaching the wall of sound. These were on interception mission of a civil plane. (...) No important damage [to houses...] was reported.

The two concerned planes are based at Florennes. They received order to intercept a civilian plane that had no more contact with air traffic controllers, explained Defense spokeswoman Ingrid Baeck. This case is always considered as a possible threat. But it wasn't and contact was (re) established with this civil plane over the North Sea, explained Belgian Defense. Communication cut was due to a misunderstanding on radio frequencies to use. The plane pursued its planned flight in a normal way. A similar case already happened two years ago over Belgium."
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Unread post25 Feb 2009, 19:43

The British plane was on it’s way from Germany to the UK, and when entering Belgian airspace the crew changed his radiofrequency used by the French ATC in stead of the Belgian ATC.
According to the Belgian newspaper “Het Nieuwsblad” the British plane isn’t a civilian one but belongs to the British military. On the website http://www.mil.be the Belgian Military states it was a civilian one.
Also the breach of the sound-barrier found place at an altitude of 37.000 ft. Belgian Air Component F-16’s are only allowed to fly at speeds of Mach 1 or higher at a minimum altitude of 36.000 ft.

In Bruges, a city in the province of West-Flanders, the ceiling of a store came down as a result of the double sonic bang. They plan to claim the costs of the damage back from the Belgian Defence Ministry.

A spokesman of the Defence Ministry said that they would not change the way they handle these threats. Within 12 minutes after the QRA received the alarm the suspicious airplane was intercepted, so the pilots did what was expected from them. The intercept however took place above the North Sea, but with a country as small as ours, it’s almost impossible to intercept a relatively fast aircraft (800 km/h) within our own airspace.

I’ll let you all know when I hear more about it.
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Unread post26 Feb 2009, 04:22

So if the intercept happened "over the North Sea", why was the target not handed off to the Dutch? Or does Belgian airspace extend into the North Sea? Looked at an atlas and it didn't appear to be the case. Maybe I'm wrong, tho.
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Unread post26 Feb 2009, 04:25

Ahhh...nevermind.
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Unread post26 Feb 2009, 08:02

Maybe because the plane was tracked by Belgian authorities first? And don't forget that Belgian and Dutch Air Forces cooperate very closely: there must be agreements for such cases...
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Unread post26 Feb 2009, 14:59

LinkF16SimDude wrote:So if the intercept happened "over the North Sea", why was the target not handed off to the Dutch? Or does Belgian airspace extend into the North Sea? Looked at an atlas and it didn't appear to be the case. Maybe I'm wrong, tho.


Belgian airspace does extend into the North Sea. Our coastline is only 65 km long, but hey, we have a beach and all that.
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Unread post27 Feb 2009, 00:45

You think a pair of Vipers at altitude scare people, then just imagine what a pair of Korean F-4s at 10K' trucking along at 1.4 will do. But hey, at least the dude intercepted got a good callsign out of it.
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Unread post27 Feb 2009, 02:53

callsign "1.3"??

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Unread post09 Feb 2012, 20:14

In Bruges, a city in the province of West-Flanders, the ceiling of a store came down as a result of the double sonic bang. They plan to claim the costs of the damage back from the Belgian Defence Ministry.


Yeah, right!
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Unread post11 Feb 2012, 19:36

discofishing wrote:
In Bruges, a city in the province of West-Flanders, the ceiling of a store came down as a result of the double sonic bang. They plan to claim the costs of the damage back from the Belgian Defence Ministry.


Yeesh...reminds me of the excitement we had a couple of years ago here at Lackland where a "sonic boom" during airshow practice was blamed for several instances of property damage:http://www.kens5.com/news/local/Air-show-sonic-boom-causes-ceiling-cave-in-near-Lackland-106798928.html. I heard it and don't think it was a true sonic boom; nothing as dramatic as the legendary supersonic F-105 flyby :-)
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Unread post05 Apr 2012, 21:59

I do not understan what was the reason to don't start going buster until the sea and then move to a supersonic envelope. I think flying at 0.95 or 0.97 is faster then any transport or civil aircraft.
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Unread post10 Apr 2012, 13:40

SnakeHandler wrote:You think a pair of Vipers at altitude scare people, then just imagine what a pair of Korean F-4s at 10K' trucking along at 1.4 will do. But hey, at least the dude intercepted got a good callsign out of it.


At some point in my life, I need to see that :D :D

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