Rare photos of an Ex-Syrian MiG-23 escorted by F-16 and F-15

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Unread post13 Jan 2007, 16:26

If you don't know, in October 1989 a Syrian pilot secretly flown his MiG-23 to Israel and got an asylum. That was the chance for the IDF/AF to closely test the capabilities of the Flogger.

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Unread post13 Jan 2007, 17:11

The MiG is still carrying the Syrian Flag ! and it also has the IDF/AF insignia.???
What is the status of the jet now?
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Unread post13 Jan 2007, 18:10

Yes, the Syrian Air Force markings were left on the plane, and IDF/AF markings were applied on the fuselage and the wings.

Today it is stored at the IDF/AF museum, together with other captured aircrafts:
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Unread post14 Jan 2007, 18:46

Reminds me of some of the HAVE DOUGHNUT and HAVE DRILL pics I've seen. MiGs with U.S. markings. Kinda weird, but interesting.

About like how it was back in the mid-90s, when a MiG-23 and later, a MiG-29 "showed up" on the ramp at Tyndall. Not sure who knows, but nobody talks. Read that, "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies."

I don't think the Flogger was a CONSTANT PEG bird, because the program hadn't technically been declassified at that point. Then again, I knew better than to do too much poking around...

Cool pics DeepSpace! Living right next to Israel, I'd have to say that guy who defected was the smartest pilot in the Syrian AF.
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Unread post14 Jan 2007, 19:12

TC wrote:About like how it was back in the mid-90s, when a MiG-23 and later, a MiG-29 "showed up" on the ramp at Tyndall. Not sure who knows, but nobody talks. Read that, "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies."


Here is the Mig-23 @ Tyndall during an airshow in 2002, and you can make out the tail of hte Mig-29 on the right.
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Unread post14 Jan 2007, 19:49

About like how it was back in the mid-90s, when a MiG-23 and later, a MiG-29 "showed up" on the ramp at Tyndall. Not sure who knows, but nobody talks.


Everybody knows...no need to be misteryous about it.

The MiG-23 with the F-106 nose at Tyndall (number 53 or 84 depending when you saw it) was bought by some businessman after the USSR collapse, ATF confiscated it cause it still had the gun...that's the official story. Or it might be another Syrian ML which defected to Turkey in April 1989, damaged while tested in the US, got an F-106 nose and put on display.

The MiG-29 is either Moldovan (from that batch of 21 brought in the US in 1997), or again Syrian - 2 of their MiG-29s defected to Turkey in 1988.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/printer_371.shtml

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Unread post14 Jan 2007, 20:15

I agree, no mystery about it. There's a civilian owned and registered Flogger flying in the United States...Check
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Unread post14 Jan 2007, 21:53

RoAF wrote:might be another Syrian ML which defected to Turkey in April 1989, damaged while tested in the US, got an F-106 nose and put on display.


Thanks RoAF. I'd never heard either one of those explanations. The theory about it being a Syrian bird might hold water, but again, CONSTANT PEG was not out of the black at that point. Ok, some people were talking, but they shouldn't have been. Plus, from the day it arrived, it carried a Red Star, and Soviet bort code. Nothing on the bird proved or disproved that it had come from the Mid East.

When the Flogger showed up (around 94-95 timeframe), no two people could give you the same story about how or why it was there. Some said it was from a Cuban defector, who landed in Key West. I never believed that story.

Some said that it was ordered from the fmr. USSR or DDR, and came in crates. Sounded a little more plausible to me, and goes along with your theory on the purchase from Russia.

The 29 showed up a couple years later. By that time, it was widely known about the U.S. purchase of Moldovian Fulcrums. However, I still try not to poke around concerning such matters. Don't wanna rock the boat too hard. :wink:
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Unread post14 Jan 2007, 22:34

Some said it was from a Cuban defector, who landed in Key West. I never believed that story.


That one was a BN (strike version), see pic below, whereas the one at Tyndall is a ML (interceptor). Plus the Cuban bird was sent back the next day or so.

DDR could also be a source, it is known that after the German reunification a number of former East German MiG-23ML and Su-22 were sent to the US for tests, and there was no reason to spend money for sending them back, the Germans had plenty. As a sidenote, the MiG-23ML at Nellis Threat Center (or something like that) with Iraqi markings is in fact East German...
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Unread post15 Jan 2007, 07:57

Interesting how the F-106 radome exactly attached to the Mig-23… :?

That was back in the day when the QF-4 had a “Don’t ask Don’t Tell” logo on it with a BIG RED CIRCLE AND SLASH through it… Of course a good friend was the CO back in those days. :lol:
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Unread post15 Jan 2007, 23:19

As of early 2006 both the MIG-23 & the MIG-29 were still at Tyndall. They were parked on the other side of the runway where all the QF-4's were lined up. I was wondering why they were there. This topic cleared it up for me...thanks!
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Unread post16 Jan 2007, 01:03

JR007 wrote:Interesting how the F-106 radome exactly attached to the Mig-23


Espionage?...Or just a big Golf Delta coincidence? :lol:

The only thing those two MiGs do at Tyndall, is occasionally get put on display. Neither one arrived in flying condition.

I recall seeing a group pic of a B Course class standing behind the Flogger, holding a Sidewinder, which was pointed up the Flogger's tailpipe. Funny pic.

IIRC, the Fulcrum arrived with no canopy, so one had to be "constructed" out of waterproof material. Don't ask.
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Unread post16 Jan 2007, 17:13

DeepSpace wrote:If you don't know, in October 1989 a Syrian pilot secretly flown his MiG-23 to Israel and got an asylum. That was the chance for the IDF/AF to closely test the capabilities of the Flogger.

Higher res versions:
http://attach.high-g.net/attachments/1_152.jpg
http://attach.high-g.net/attachments/2_716.jpg
http://attach.high-g.net/attachments/3_205.jpg
http://attach.high-g.net/attachments/4_273.jpg


What is the date on these photos?
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The reason I ask is .... isn't that is a newish big spine two seater IDF F-16 in the photos?
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Unread post18 Jan 2007, 20:47

elp wrote:What is the date on these photos?
The reason I ask is .... isn't that is a newish big spine two seater IDF F-16 in the photos?


These photos must have been taken between 29 of January 1990 and 16 of April 1997, and no, that's an "old" Block 30/40 F-16D.

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