F-35 Versus S-300/400/HQ-9

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post03 Jun 2020, 15:15

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada ... 00603.aspx

This part in particular caught my attention.

To help with the “flying under the radar proble” Iran apparently moved two of its Chinese JY-27 radar systems to Syria in early 2019. China claims the JY-27 is capable to detecting stealth aircraft and is better at detecting low flying aircraft. Later in 2019 Israel allegedly sent some of its F-35 stealth aircraft into Syria to destroy the JY-27 radars but were only partially successful. More likely the JY-27 radars were not the primary target of several successful Israeli airstrikes. The Syrians now believe that the JY-27 radar is somewhat better than their Russian radars at detecting low flying aircraft but not sufficiently better to regularly. Spot incoming Israeli airstrikes"

Its no surprise to me that the S-300 ect,
Are having difficulties killing F-35s
Its the audacity of both the Chinese and the Russians in the face of failure to come up with a solution, versus blaming.

1. How do you think this will play out in Moscow and Bejing. Its finally confirmed that your IADS will be slaughtered by U.S. tech.

2. How do you continue to build the anti-acess bubble if you cant keep fighters and bombers out.

3. The S-300 and S-400 have been advertised to stop stealth aircraft. Remember Air power Australia saying how the F-35 was a bust.
Surely someone on the enemies side is losing sleep trying ti plan. What will be the F-35 counter now that we KNOW S-300/400 and Chinese radars dont work?
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Unread post03 Jun 2020, 15:20

More info that I didn't know.
http://defencenews.in/article/Western-T ... ria-583225


Last month, an Israeli satellite imagery analysis company ImageSat confirmed that Chinese-made JY-27 radar of the Syrian Air Defense at Damascus airport destroyed by Israeli airstrikes on January 20th.

No airstrike details were given and the quoted ImageSat did also not contain any further information but some source said that radar was destroyed by Israeli F-35i Adir fighter jets.

The source claims that F-35i Adir fighter jet of the Israeli Air Force has destroyed Chinese design JY-27 radar of the Syrian Air Defense near Damascus International Airport on 20 January.

The JY-27 radar of the Chinese manufacturer CETC is a fully solid-state and fully coherent long-range early warning system. It is designed and developed to provide early warning information and detect low-observable air targets in so-called “Stealth technology”, included F-35 and F-22 fighter aircraft. Besides, it provides the early warning information for weapons system as well.


One of the radars that for years was advertised as being able to give early warning of stealth aircraft.
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Unread post04 Jun 2020, 02:36

<sarc on>.
So basically the Chinese have a super anti stealth radar JY-27 that can destroy F-35's.

But unfortunately the one example operational war time installation mysteriously was taken out by a ? super secret? "drone," exactly when the F-35 was flying over and could have provided data for this critical question .... so we cannot know yet whether the 27 can take on the 35.

That's truly unfortunate. Perhaps we'll find out with the next installation ...
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Unread post04 Jun 2020, 02:51

Chinese Anti-Stealth Radar........


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Unread post10 Jun 2020, 02:12

Russian advance defense capabilities, smoke and mirror show?

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/06/una ... questions/

TEL AVIV: Israeli air strikes against targets in Syria may be one of the main reasons for the growing crisis between Russia and Turkey since they’re highlighting the Russian-made S-400 air defense systemsmay not be as effective as Turkey believed.

The first signs of dissatisfaction with the Russian air defense systems came on May 1 when the Syria Direct website ran a story quoting what was described as a Syrian military source who criticized the S-300 air defense systems supplied by Russia. The source pointed to the repeated failures of the Russian-made systems to protect sites in Syria from the Israeli strikes. The comments by the apparent Syrian military official was the first clear sign of a big dispute between Moscow and Ankara related to the operational efficiency of the air defense systems.
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Last year, the Israeli air force hit more than 200 targets in Syria connected to the Iranian effort to upgrade  Hezbollah’s rockets. Some of those attacks have been reported to involve Israeli F-35s. The attacks continue apace this year with Syrian air defense forces having launched more than 1,000 surface-air missiles to try and foil the repeated Israeli attacks. They’ve had little effect so far.
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An Israeli expert who spoke on condition of anonymity said the U.S has been put in an almost impossible situation.

“The Turkish government spat in the face of the U.S by buying the Russian-made missiles. The retaliation was fast. But the reality these days is very complicated, a fact that forces Washington to make two steps backward. When you have nuclear weapons on Turkish soil, a request for Patriot missiles (made by Erdogan in March) cannot be turned down.” Syria did manage to down an Israeli F-16 in February 2018, but the Israeli military later said the crew made an error when threatened.

Tal Inbar, an Israeli defense analyst, told Breaking Defense that the S-300 and S-400 have never been proved in action against advanced fighters. “In addition the S-400s in Turkey are not operational,” he noted, “so Ankara asked for the Patriots.”
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Unread post10 Jun 2020, 03:08

TEL AVIV: Israeli air strikes against targets in Syria may be one of the main reasons for the growing crisis between Russia and Turkey since they’re highlighting the Russian-made S-400 air defense systemsmay not be as effective as Turkey believed.

The first signs of dissatisfaction with the Russian

Wow ya think?.

No really..

1000 missiles fired and Not 1 F-35 destroyed or even tracked?

And now Turkey wants to crawl home like the prodigal son?
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Unread post10 Jun 2020, 07:14

LOL, this should not come as surprise to Turkey. Being They definitely have an idea what kind of RCS F-35 has and how it affects radar performance. They should also have pretty good idea what kind of performance and capabilities the S-400 radars have. It should be pretty clear that if F-35 RCS is higher than stated by numerous sources and even if S-400 radars were better than claimed figures, even then S-400 would have serious trobule detecting and tracking F-35. Especially so when combined with the capability to detect, identify and geolocate numerous threat emitters. Add very capable jamming system and co-operative capabilities and things get even harder.

I would be truly pissed if I was a Turkish F-35 pilot trainee. I wonder how far they got with their training before it was stopped?
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Unread post10 Jun 2020, 21:56

Their air force was also purged of some undesirables after the recent "coup attempt". Morale must be a bit low.
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Unread post13 Jun 2020, 06:36

Up next the S-500
I need one of those chalk boards that are photo shopped and show all of the weapons systems that dont work on
Russian gear.

https://news.yahoo.com/why-russia-being ... 00595.html
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Unread post13 Jun 2020, 18:30

jessmo112 wrote:Up next the S-500
I need one of those chalk boards that are photo shopped and show all of the weapons systems that dont work on
Russian gear.

https://news.yahoo.com/why-russia-being ... 00595.html



“The S-500 is a blow against American prestige,” Almaz-Antey head engineer Pavel Sozinov told Russian media. “Our system neutralizes American offensive weapons, and surpasses all of America’s much-hyped anti-air and anti-missile systems.”


What utter bullshit.
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Unread post17 Jun 2020, 15:37

Now they're considering "enhancing" the S-400 with S-500 technology. Shazam..
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/artic ... ic-threats

Well, Syria could just buy SU-35's and rule the skies. Or not, according to this report..

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/artic ... out-on-top

I second the feeling bad for Turkish F-35 pilots that were in training. They had to have progressed pretty far, as delivery of F-35's to Turkey was just about to happen. Surely, they had to know how capable the aircraft/system was - especially in defeating the S-300/400. I bet nobody listened to them or worse, never asked their opinion of a face off between the two...
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Unread post17 Jun 2020, 20:45

Those articles are long propaganda pieces?
How do the Chinese know that their missiles are the most advanced on earth? Have they ever been fired in anger? Have they ever been fired at an adversary trying to jamm, spoof, or evade?
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Unread post18 Jun 2020, 01:50

Its a bit confusing. Chinese radars and Russki SAMs. So are the articles talking about the latter? In which case its Russian propaganda, not Chinese.
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