F-35 and Airshows

Discuss the F-35 Lightning II
  • Author
  • Message
Offline

milosh

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 919
  • Joined: 27 Feb 2008, 23:40
  • Location: Serbia, Belgrade

Unread post21 Nov 2019, 19:42

gta4 wrote:There was a classical turning fight between F-15 and Mig-29 during gulf war.

If my memory serves the F-15 was in an advantageous position all the time. It gained a lock on the Fulcrum and fired a aim-9, which missed the Mig. Finally the Mig hit the ground due to losing too much altitude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Rodriguez_(pilot)


Mig-29 with R-60 was in big disadvantage.
Offline

charlielima223

Elite 1K

Elite 1K

  • Posts: 1133
  • Joined: 12 Jan 2014, 19:26

Unread post21 Nov 2019, 20:06

:offtopic:
As intriguing as F-15 vs Mig-29 is fun to talk about... exactly what does that have to do with F-35 appearence at airshows?

Can we please get back to the topic stated on the title?
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23940
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post21 Nov 2019, 20:29

:applause: Thank you. :applause:
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

doge

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 370
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2015, 16:07

Unread post22 Nov 2019, 10:18

Mr.DOJO! :applause: Thank you for the wonderful Demonstration this year!! :applause: (Great job!!)
At the end of this video, the Demo Team staff celebrating with champagne...!! 8) (Frolic.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bPn1KOdAQI
Attachments
49088405171_11845f7459_b.jpg
74602360_531516411020132_8277189622680529419_n.jpg
Offline
User avatar

doge

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 370
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2015, 16:07

Unread post06 Dec 2019, 19:33

Congratulations!! :applause:
https://theaviationist.com/2019/12/02/t ... ojo-olson/
“The Last Dojo”: We Interview Outgoing F-35 Demo Pilot, Maj. Andrew “Dojo” Olson.
December 2, 2019 Tom Demerly
His Team Shifted Public Opinion of F-35 Program: Where is “Dojo” Headed Now?
As if maneuvering in a dogfight, it only took an instant for Maj. “Dojo” Olson to get behind the champagne showering shenanigans of his support crew, grab the frothing magnum from their grip, and turn the fight around. To the delight of air show fans at the team’s last 2019 performance at Nellis AFB two weeks ago, Dojo strafed his crew with celebratory bubbly in a soaking counter-attack. It was his final flight as F-35A Lightning II Demo Team Pilot. But in his last interview with TheAviationist.com last week in Nevada, Maj. “Dojo” Olson told us, whether it’s with champagne bottles or cannon shells, the F-35 is about much more than a dogfight.

“People are just starting to understand what the program is all about, and we’re happy to have been a small part of that”, Maj. Olson told TheAviationist.com at Nellis AFB.
This last, joyful demonstration for Maj. Andrew “Dojo” Olson at the 2019 Aviation Nation air show outside Las Vegas was symbolic of the entire season for the world’s first-ever dedicated F-35 Joint Strike Fighter demonstration team. In celebration of his last demo, before he breaking into the pattern after his flight demonstration and Heritage Flight at Nellis AFB, Dojo executed what was perhaps the most spirited rendition of the aerobatic maneuver that bears his name, the now-famous “Dojo Drift”. Maj. Olson’s F-35A hurtled in low out of the Nevada desert over Nellis, hit show center, rolled on its side and slid sideways an impossible distance before thrust trumped gravity and he stood the aircraft on its tail to climb out for entry to his base leg for his final landing as F-35 Demo Team commander.

A strong argument can be made that this first-year demo team helped turn the anti-F-35 media around. During their year-long, 19-show tour the team effectively crowd-sourced fans for the entire F-35 program. Along with the combat mission successes of the F-35 this year by the Israelis, the U.S. Marines and the U.S. Air Force, the F-35 Demo Team helped change the way people think of the entire Joint Strike Fighter program.
And while the F-35 demo team racked up “Likes” on social media, the broader F-35 program was racking up kills with two user-nations across three services in real-world combat. Those engagements against insurgent targets were decidedly one-sided, a Marine F-35B combat pilot told TheAviationist.com at MCAS Miramar, “That’s exactly what we’re looking for. We don’t want a fair fight. We want the advantage to be so far in our favor that adversaries will never pick a fight with us, because they know they will lose.”

Just like the real insurgent hotspots where the F-35 fought in 2019, the Air Force’s new F-35A Lightning II Demo Team faced a significant adversary who seldom fought fair; the popular media. They also waged an asymmetrical public relations campaign against frequently misinformed social media. While it would be inaccurate to credit the team exclusively with the gains the F-35 program has made in public opinion during the last year, it would be equally wrong to deny that the F-35 Demo Team did make a huge positive impact on public opinion about the controversial Joint Strike Fighter program.
In their first year, the F-35A Lightning II Demo Team practiced a key strategy of modern marketing in the evolving media space; they took their pitch to key influencers. By leveraging opinions of aviation photographers, military bloggers and specialty news outlets, the team won fans for the F-35 program one handshake, one photo op, one selfie, one interview, one patch sale, one autograph, one air show at a time. At the end of their first year, the results are impressive.

At the beginning of the air show season in 2019, the F-35 Demo Team had 10,200 followers on Instagram. By June 3, 2019, after their first few public appearances, the team had wracked up an impressive 54,400 Instagram followers. But today, the F-35A Lightning II Demo Team’s official Instagram page has 107,000 followers. By contrast, the Air Force’s decade-old F-22 Demo Team, with 112,000 followers on Instagram, took 12 years to accumulate those social media numbers. If you do the math on how much it cost the Air Force to earn 112,000 Instagram followers for the F-22 Demo Team over 12 years and compare that to what it cost to operate the F-35 Demo Team for only one year while earning a nearly equal 107,000 followers, The F-35 Demo Team looks like a pretty good marketing value for the Air Force.
While their aerobatic flight demo was impressive, the F-35 Demo Team really won over fans on the ground at air shows. From their little Easy-Up tent where fans swarmed to buy F-35 swag, to the airshow fence line where “Dojo”, still clad in his G-suit and looking like he walked off the set of “Top Gun: Maverick” held court with fans and posed for selfies, and with appearances across every channel of social media, the team seemed to hit every opportunity to excite fans, make new ones and influence the F-35 brand story.
As Maj. Andrew “Dojo” Olson leaves the F-35 Demo Team for a coveted F-35 Instructor assignment at Luke AFB, the challenge for the new team is to maintain the momentum and continue the “brand story” of Dojo’s first year Madison Avenue-worthy F-35 posse of super-brand ambassadors.
The team has already released images of their new look 2020 demo season insignia, and Maj. Olson told us he will announce the 2020 demo team commander and lead demo pilot in the upcoming weeks. And while we don’t know who that new F-35 demo team pilot will be for now, we know one thing for sure: “Dojo” and his crew will be a hard act to follow.

https://youtu.be/PDgRW7-WCUA


2020 Demo Team page opened. 8) (Pilots and schedules etc are not yet written.)
https://www.acc.af.mil/www.luke.af.mil/F-35-Demo-Team/
Offline

rnvalencia

Newbie

Newbie

  • Posts: 13
  • Joined: 03 Jun 2014, 12:06

Unread post08 Dec 2019, 15:36

marsavian wrote:Spurts was basing his calculations on 3F/absolute limits.

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Don't get hung up on G. The F-35C will have the best turn rates at operational conditions, both ITR and STR. Being 7.5G means it puts less stress on the pilot to have that agility. 9G will only be available to the A at airshow altitudes or supersonic speeds at operational altitudes. At 0.9M and 30,000ft, with 60% fuel and an A-G internal load, the F-35A is limited to just under 7G. It can't make enough lift to reach 9. Meanwhile an F-35C with the same conditions can reach 7.5G down to about 0.83M.


https://www.reddit.com/r/F35Lightning/c ... _with_the/
Out Of The Shadows: RNLAF experiences with the F-35A - Combat Aircraft Magazine May 2018
1. "F-35 sits somewhere in between the F-16 and F/A-18 when it comes to within visual range manoeuvring'".

2. Lightest empty weight F-16A MLU needs to be clean with no weapons and no external tanks to make visual range dogfight interesting for combat loaded F-35A Block 3F.

3. Dutch has acknowledge early F-35 Blocks being beaten by F-16s with external fuel tanks which is not applicable for F-35A Block 3F.
Offline

gta4

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 909
  • Joined: 17 Oct 2010, 19:10

Unread post18 Dec 2019, 13:06

I think the ITR of F-35 is exceeding the best Gen.4, by a significant margin
Offline
User avatar

steve2267

Elite 2K

Elite 2K

  • Posts: 2487
  • Joined: 12 Jun 2016, 17:36

Unread post18 Dec 2019, 13:58

Has Dojo ever stated how many G's he pulls when he performs the Dojo drift?
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
Offline
User avatar

doge

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 370
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2015, 16:07

Unread post19 Dec 2019, 07:18

Airshow 2020 schedule has been released. 8)
The 388FW site was written in more detail. :doh: (Gorgeous)
https://www.388fw.acc.af.mil/F-35A-Demo-Team/
https://www.388fw.acc.af.mil/News/Artic ... ow-season/
F-35A Lightning II Demonstration Team Schedule announced for 2020 Airshow Season
By Capt. Kippun Sumner, 388th Fighter Wing Public Affairs / Published December 10, 2019
HILL AIR FORCE BASE, Utah – The 2020 airshow schedule for the Air Force’s only F-35A Lightning II Demonstration Team has been officially released.

Announced today during the International Council of Airshows annual conference in Las Vegas, Nevada, the Utah-based team is scheduled to display the capabilities of the F-35A at approximately 20 performances starting this March and running through November.

Previously located at Luke AFB, Ariz., under Air Education and Training Command, the F-35A demo team will now operate as part of the 388th Fighter Wing out of Hill AFB, Utah, under Air Combat Command.

“We’ve flown this jet in combat, we just welcomed back our first operational deployment, and sent a second squadron overseas,” Col. Steven Behmer, 388th Fighter Wing commander, said. “Operating the Air Force’s most advanced fighter jet is our mission, and we are extremely excited to be able to showcase the capabilities of our Airmen and this aircraft to the world.”

The new pilot and team are currently training for the show season, with the names being announced pending certification by Air Force leadership. During this time, the team will be designing and preparing new launch and recovery procedures for the demonstration routine.

The approximately 18-minute long profile will highlight the F-35A’s numerous capabilities to include speed, agility, and high-g turning, while the team will provide opportunities for people around the world to see the skill of America’s Airmen.

Local flying practice is expected to begin around Hill AFB in early January, with specific dates to come soon.

The F-35A, America’s newest fifth-generation fighter, provides game-changing stealth, interoperability and lethality. It can penetrate dangerous airspace and defeat evolving threats both in the air and on the ground.
Attachments
80059838_561074231122241_2630650490084186355_n.jpg
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23940
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post30 Jan 2020, 11:13

Anybody have text? Lockheed Martin Reveals ‘Harvest Lightning’ For F-35 Demos
https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/ ... f-35-demos

HarvyLightening mentioned here:
22 Jan 2020 https://defence-blog.com/news/f-35-figh ... ptors.html "...Linking F-35s to IBCS via the Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL) provided enhanced situational awareness and weapons-quality track data to engage airborne targets. The proof of concept demonstration used experimental equipment developed by Lockheed Martin, including the Harvest Lightning Ground Station and IBCS [Irritable Bowel Cor Syndrome?] adaptation kit (A-Kit)…."
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23940
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post05 Feb 2020, 05:29

US military brings aerial demonstrations, static aircraft to Singapore Airshow 2020
03 Feb 2020 Pacific Air Forces Public Affairs

"JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM, Hawaii -- U.S. military aircraft will participate in the Singapore Airshow 2020 with aerial demonstrations and static displays at Changi Air Base (East), Republic of Singapore Feb. 11-16. SA2020 is the largest defense exhibition and biennial international tradeshow in the Pacific.

A cross section of U.S. military members and aircraft will participate in the weeklong event, to include:
◾ A C-17 Globemaster III from the 15th Wing, Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii
◾ F-22 Raptors from the 154th Wing, JBPHH
◾ An E-3 Sentry from the 18th Wing, Kadena Air Base, Japan
◾ F-16 Fighting Falcon aerial demonstration team from the 35th Fighter Wing, Misawa AB, Japan
◾ A B-52 Stratofortress from the 20th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron, 36th Wing Andersen Air Force Base, Guam
◾ An MQ-9 Reaper from the 432nd Wing, Creech Air Force Base, Nevada
◾ An RQ-4 Global Hawk from the 319th Reconnaissance Wing, Grand Forks AFB, North Dakota
◾ Air Combat Command’s F-22 Raptor aerial demonstration team from Langley AFB, Virginia
◾ A KC-135 Stratotanker from the 507th Air Refueling Wing, Tinker AFB, Oklahoma
◾ Marine Forces Pacific’s F-35B Lightning II aerial demonstration team from Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121, Marine Aircraft Group 12, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni
◾ An MV-22B Osprey from Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron (VMM) 262, 1st MAW, MCAS Futenma, Japan
◾ An AH-1Z Viper from Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadron (HMLA) 369, MAG-36, 1st MAW, MCAS Futenma, Japan
◾ A UH-1Y Venom from HMLA 369, MAG-36, 1st MAW, MCAS Futenma, Japan
◾ An RQ-21 Blackjack from Marine Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Squadron (VMU) 3, MAG-24, 1st MAW, Marine Corps Base Kaneohe, Hawaii
◾ A P-8 Poseidon from Patrol Squadron TEN (VP-10), Naval Air Station Jacksonville, Florida
◾ EF-18 Growlers from Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA)-195, Naval Air Facility Atsugi, Japan
◾ An E-2D Advanced Hawkeye from Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW)-125, NAS Norfolk, Virginia..."

Source: https://www.pacaf.af.mil/News/Article-D ... airshow-2/
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

steve2267

Elite 2K

Elite 2K

  • Posts: 2487
  • Joined: 12 Jun 2016, 17:36

Unread post08 Feb 2020, 17:59

Dunno if the F-35 is still going to Singapore, but LM has apparently bowed out over concerns regarding the Wu Flu, i.e. 2019-nCoV:

Coronavirus live updates: Pace of new cases in Hubei on the rise again; cruise lines ban Chinese nationals
Berkeley Lovelace Jr., William Feuer Fri, Feb 7 20208:18 AM EST

7:30 pm: Lockheed Martin drops out of Singapore Airshow over coronavirus concerns

The Pentagon shrunk the size of its delegation traveling to the Singapore Airshow and U.S. defense firm Lockheed Martin Corp said it would not attend, as the impact of the coronavirus has reduced participation in the event. Undersecretary of Defense Ellen Lord will no longer attend the event "due to extenuating circumstances," Lieutenant Colonel Mike Andrews said in a statement.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/07/coronavirus-latest-updates.html
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
Offline

sprstdlyscottsmn

Elite 4K

Elite 4K

  • Posts: 4672
  • Joined: 10 Mar 2006, 01:24
  • Location: Phoenix, Az, USA

Unread post08 Feb 2020, 22:39

Looking forward to seeing it at Luke in a month and a half
"Spurts"

-Pilot
-Aerospace Engineer
-Army Medic
-FMS Systems Engineer
Offline
User avatar

sferrin

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 5491
  • Joined: 22 Jul 2005, 03:23

Unread post10 Feb 2020, 13:26

"There I was. . ."
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 23940
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post14 Feb 2020, 01:17

For F-22 and F-35 demo pilots, aggressive manoeuvres are just part of the job
13 Feb 2020 Garrett Reim

"For US Marine Corps (USMC) F-35B demo pilot Captain Taylor Zehrung, and US Air Force (USAF) F-22 demo pilot Major Joshua Gunderson, aggressive flight manoeuvres, such as the ones displayed at the Singapore air show, are just part of the everyday job of combat aviation. Both pilots say what was asked of them could be performed by any members of their squadrons.

“Our demos are designed to demonstrate what the aircraft can do in a combat scenario,” says Gunderson. “Everything is very specific in terms of airspeed, altitudes, [and] parameters, because I’m making sure it’s repeatable and executable and safe. But you can take any pilot in the F-22 community, give them a couple rides in this and they’ll be proficient at doing it.”

In particular, the pilots say the manoeuvres are something that are practiced regularly in combat exercises. “The minimum radius turn we definitely use in basic fighter manoeuvres against other aircraft,” says Gunderson. “What’s great about the F-22 is our thrust out of the back end. The flight control computers allow us to turn very quickly in a very tight space, which gives us an advantage in the fight.”...

...For F-35B pilot Zehrung learning short-take-off-and-vertical-landing (STOVL) manoeuvres, including the in-flight hover, took some getting used to. The F-35B can hover and complete STOVL manoeuvres using a shaft-driven lift fan system in its body and thrust-vectored tail exhaust. “The very first time I ever did it, it was very weird being in fighter jet and not moving,” he says. “But it’s become pretty normal now.”...

...F-35B pilot Zehrung is part of the USMC’s F-35B Lighting II aerial demonstration team, which is part of attack squadron 121 at Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni, Japan. F-35B pilots are asked to fly at air shows on an ad hoc basis.:

Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/singapore- ... 30.article
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Previous

Return to General F-35 Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bjorn and 18 guests