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Unread post01 Nov 2019, 17:59

outlaw162 wrote:"Bartender, there's a little too much foam on my heineken$." :doh:


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Unread post01 Nov 2019, 18:36

'The DRIVE[ing some insane]' has some comment about the 'foam event' which includes usual FUD Fear Uncertainty Doubt:
Whoops! First F-35A Based In The Netherlands Got A Foam Bath By Mistake
31 Oct 2019 Joseph Trevithick

"...It's not clear what this might mean for the aircraft, which ingested some of the foam into the engine intakes and the engine itself, as it taxied to the ceremony area after the impromptu foam party. Reports regarding past military aviation mishaps involving the accidental release of firefighting foam onto aircraft in hangars typically say that firefighting crews later used water to wash it away without any mention of serious lasting effects. Whether that applies to stealthy aircraft, such as the F-35, which have very sensitive external features, especially the specialized radar-absorbing coatings that cover their skin, is unclear...."

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Unread post03 Nov 2019, 02:25

It seems that the foam used is suspect for causing corrosion, so this lovely new plane will now get a close inspection due to this unfortunate shower.

A nice quote however about the F-35 itself (roughly translated from Dutch to English):
"Holy cr*p! For a moment I felt like that teenager on a super cool skateboard in Florida. This plane moves like a rocket."

(“Holy cr*p! Even voel ik me die tiener op een heel vet skateboard in Florida. Dit toestel gaat als een raket.”)
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Unread post03 Nov 2019, 02:37

botsing wrote:It seems that the foam used is suspect for causing corrosion, so this lovely new plane will now get a close inspection due to this unfortunate shower.
A nice quote however about the F-35 itself (roughly translated from Dutch to English):
"Holy cr*p! For a moment I felt like that teenager on a super cool skateboard in Florida. This plane moves like a rocket."
(“Holy cr*p! Even voel ik me die tiener op een heel vet skateboard in Florida. Dit toestel gaat als een raket.”)

Thanks - please keep us uptodate on any new developments about this 'F-35A corrosive foam event'.
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Unread post06 Nov 2019, 11:20

Additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaDs9-Z3bew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz2M-QTvJZQ


Star Wars Canyon RNLAF F-35
It's flying pretty very very fast between the valleys! :shock: (Scary! :doh: )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feMiVo15YBQ
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Unread post06 Nov 2019, 13:33

spazsinbad wrote:Thanks - please keep us uptodate on any new developments about this 'F-35A corrosive foam event'.


Seems like they don't consider it a problem, according to tu.no:

"However, there is little cause for concern, according to input Technical Weekly has received from F-35 technicians. Neither aircraft nor engine is damaged by such a foam bath, but it needs a good wash and maybe clean. So is the F-16. This is not the first time a fighter plane has been foamed, it has also happened here in the country, but it costs only a little extra work."

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Unread post06 Nov 2019, 17:26

OK thanks. 'Good' foam must have been used rather than the 'old corrosive/toxic' foam. Good to know.
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Unread post06 Nov 2019, 19:35

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Additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaDs9-Z3bew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz2M-QTvJZQ


Star Wars Canyon RNLAF F-35
It's flying pretty very very fast between the valleys! :shock: (Scary! :doh: )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feMiVo15YBQ


Phenomenal! I think that's the fastest I've ever seen a jet pass through that canyon; crazy.
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Unread post07 Nov 2019, 21:17

spazsinbad wrote:OK thanks. 'Good' foam must have been used rather than the 'old corrosive/toxic' foam. Good to know.

Latest news on how to get rid of the very bad side effects of the old 'toxic' foam - clues about old news in article:

The Defense Department May Have Found a Fix for Contaminated Water on Bases 07 Nov 2019 Oriana Pawlyk
https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... bases.html
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Unread post14 Nov 2019, 18:03

The RNLAF has stated to NOS that F-009 has been inspected and found to be unaffected by the foam

https://amp.nos.nl/artikel/2310447-defe ... ssion=true
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Unread post14 Nov 2019, 19:08

Thanks for the info: Translated by GOOGLE
Defense: F-35 does not seem to have had anything to do with a fire-fighting foam mistake
15 Nov 2019 NOS

"The new F-35 fighter plane that was accidentally received at the end of last month with fire-fighting foam instead of water, seems to have suffered no damage. That is what the Royal Netherlands Air Force says after an inspection of the aircraft.

On October 31, the first F-35 in the Netherlands was sprayed by human error with fire-fighting foam at Leeuwarden air base. "In the fire extinguishers the buttons for foam and water are next to each other, and the fire brigade accidentally pressed the foam button," says an air force spokesperson.

It was feared that the engines of the F-35, also known as the Joint Strike Fighter, had been damaged. That is why photos were sent to the builders of the aircraft. "You can compare it to a viewing operation on the inside," says the spokesperson.

The images were then sent to engine builder Pratt & Whitney. "We have the doctors in-house, but the professors are with Pratt & Whitney," said the Air Force spokesperson. "They indicated that the foam did not cause any malfunctions."

For safety's sake, however, the engines are thoroughly rinsed again. The F-35 will remain on the ground for the time being, but that is according to plan. It is intended that the aircraft will be operational again soon.

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Unread post15 Nov 2019, 13:23

A nice quote however about the F-35 itself (roughly translated from Dutch to English):
[quote]"Holy cr*p! For a moment I felt like that teenager on a super cool skateboard in Florida. This plane moves like a rocket."

This is all the moreso impressive, if this guy is coming from flying an F-16!
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Unread post15 Nov 2019, 16:06

mixelflick wrote:A nice quote however about the F-35 itself (roughly translated from Dutch to English):
"Holy cr*p! For a moment I felt like that teenager on a super cool skateboard in Florida. This plane moves like a rocket."

This is all the moreso impressive, if this guy is coming from flying an F-16!


Absolutely! :thumb:

This was actually one of my point on the Rafale thread:
- When I read that I pilot coming from a Super Etendard says that he feels that the Rafale is like a rocket/spaceship/whatever that doesn't impress me much (independently if the Rafale has an impressive performance) because compared to the Super Etendard there are countless rocket-like fighter aircraft out there. But a pilot coming from a F-16 saying that the F-35 is like a rocket it's actually very impressive and certainly gets my attention since the F-16 is one and still one of worlds best fighter aircraft when it comes to acceleration (which afterall is the "metric" that is being mentioned here).
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