UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

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Unread post24 Oct 2019, 17:15

From the 'marsavian' URL on previous page: [with photo via e-mail]
"...On the same day, the ship saw also the arrival of the other two UK F-35s scheduled to deploy for Westlant19. The aircraft currently aboard are now ZM148 (BK-14) modex 014, ZM149 (BK-15) modex 015, ZM151 (BK-17) modex 017 from the mixed 207 Squadron/617 Squadron fleet based at RAF Marham and ZM135 (BK-01) modex 001, ZM136 (BK-02) modex 002 and ZM138 (BK-04) modex 004 from the 17 Test and Evaluation Squadron (TES) based at Edwards Air Force Base...." https://theaviationist.com/2019/10/24/i ... t-carrier/
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Unread post25 Oct 2019, 21:15

HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales: £30m Portsmouth Naval Base upgrade means new Royal Navy carriers can now berth side-by-side

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Unread post26 Oct 2019, 21:26

HMS Queen Elizabeth, F-35B bishtin lid, Westlant19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0XcdSaz5jE


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HMS Queen Elizabeth, F-35B making steam, Westlant19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyjQVQ7BBUs

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Unread post27 Oct 2019, 11:22

At first look, I thought the fwd-most aircraft was a helo hovering on the starboard side. The vid actually show two jets recovering w compressed interval...
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Unread post27 Oct 2019, 11:46

HMS Queen Elizabeth TWO F-35Bs VL at Reduced Interval https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNAGdLf7R1A

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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 02:11

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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 12:34

A bit on the joking side: It seems that the "window of opportunity" for Argentina to re-invade the Falklands has now passed :mrgreen:
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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 14:05

ricnunes wrote:A bit on the joking side: It seems that the "window of opportunity" for Argentina to re-invade the Falklands has now passed :mrgreen:


On a related note, it seems like Argentine Air Force is getting KAI FA-50s to replace A-4s in the future. Not that it matters much with F-35B, Eurofighters and Type 45 destroyers available. I'd say that it would've been pretty suicidal for Argentinians to try to re-invade Falklands even without F-35B.
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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 15:38

Argentina's strange tenuous claim to the Falklands is that its colonial progenitor Spain once laid claim to it and it therefore inherits its claim all the while hypocritically railing against 'colonial' Britain. The only human Argentine presence on the island pre 1980s was when the British governor permitted a private Argentine prison to be built there centuries ago. From these tenuous strands the myth of the long lost Malvinas was born, perhaps by the same standards they should give Argentina back to its south American natives first. Falklands was an unpopulated rock before British descendents populated it.
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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 15:45

Back to thread topic please. Thanks.
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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 16:13

hornetfinn wrote:
ricnunes wrote:A bit on the joking side: It seems that the "window of opportunity" for Argentina to re-invade the Falklands has now passed :mrgreen:


On a related note, it seems like Argentine Air Force is getting KAI FA-50s to replace A-4s in the future. Not that it matters much with F-35B, Eurofighters and Type 45 destroyers available. I'd say that it would've been pretty suicidal for Argentinians to try to re-invade Falklands even without F-35B.


Yes, I agree that the four (4) Eurofighters stationed at RAF Mount Pleasant alone would technically be enough to thwart any current Argentinian combined air and sea assault/invasion.
However I guess that the Argentinians could try beforehand some sort of a Special Forces surprise Attack/Strike/Sabotage against those 4 Eurofighters in order to disable/destroy them and thus allowing for example a big/full scale Air Assault on the Islands together with potential Argentinian Air Support (with those Pucara Turbo-Props for example).

The fact that now Britain has a functional and in-service carrier with F-35Bs means in case the tactic above somehow managed to work that not only it can completely isolate any Argentinian forces on the ground (by providing Air Superiority) but also the F-35B can provide Close Air Support to any British ground forces (either those already on the island or any reinforcements from the "main land") fighting against the Argentinians.

Resuming, it means that with the F-35B the Argentinians now have a 0 (zero) possibility of retake the island while before they had IMO at least a very slim possibility of success (but not much higher than zero, granted) regarding this.


P.S - Sorry if I seem to be derailing this thread but since this same thread currently revolves around British QE Carriers and the F-35B (the original UK/Carrier and F-35C being a long gone and dead subject), my comment was to show what IMO is an extremely important contribution of the QE Carriers and the F-35B (a deterrence against the Argentinian against the Falklands) and as such I don't think that my comments above are much os a thread "derailment" but I apologize if they are :wink:
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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 17:17

How would these Argentine special forces land pass the air and possible submarine protective screen ? Their ships/aircraft would not reach the islands intact. Only way they get 'Malvinas' is serious peaceful bribing of the population as militarily Argentina has stayed still since 1982 whereas UK has modernized continuously of which QE2/F-35B is the latest installment.

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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 17:33

marsavian wrote:How would these Argentine special forces land pass the air and possible submarine protective screen ?


Inserted by submarine for example (assuming that the Argentinian Sub doesn't sink on its way to the Falklands).
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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 21:59

This thread is NOT about 'the'/future Falklands War. Meanwhile Part One of the BBC doco about 1st QE set of trials.

[addition] Having now watched the entire episode I'll comment that this first episode is about the FIRST F-35B Landing & STO 28 Sep 2018. I have not seen any other BBC QE docos so difficult to gauge what the TITLE means. I thought this doco was about the SECOND series of tests. Oh well. <sigh> Perhaps the other/third episode includes recent tests? Clearly the NEXT episode - if on YouTube - will be about the first series of tests and a lot more focused on the F-35B & associates.

Britains Biggest Warship S02E01 27th October 2019 [59 minutes] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0STceKVoMI

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Unread post31 Oct 2019, 00:43

S'more SRVL goodness. This has probably been posted before, somewhere, many many many pages ago. But cannot get enuff of this butterfly lightness of being...



https://youtu.be/jP0rUkDz_Fg

I think he might have stopped before the One wire...

Also... from this YouTube video, https://youtu.be/J6wGN8PK9u4?t=4, I have a newfound appreciation for how W I D E HMS Queen Elizabeth is. WOW. So much deck space. In fact, if one could shrink the width of the islands a bit, and move them rearwards and centre them, it seems like the Brits could manage to get two flight decks with two ramps on a new type of carrier. I'm thinking this could enable simultaneous, or near simultaneous, launch and recovery ops!

F-35B screen grab HMS Queen Elizabeth.PNG
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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