Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 03:44

arrow-nautics wrote:Sweden's Saab undecided on whether to bid on Canada's fighter-jet contract. This is so stupid now.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/09/03/ ... CqsiwLes7A

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Welcome to Canadian procurement :mrgreen:

they'll put you through hell 3 times and still not make a decision :doh:

Can Saab afford to rebid just to withdraw AGAIN?

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If the Non American security requirement in the article above is too expensive for Dassault and Airbus then Saab certainly can't afford it
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 07:19

Heheh - the current CANNOTuckian GUBmint must be a close winner with India for Military Aircraft Procurement HELL!
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 08:20

spazsinbad wrote:Heheh - the current CANNOTuckian GUBmint must be a close winner with India for Military Aircraft Procurement HELL!




To close to call..... :shock:
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 09:21

XanderCrews wrote:They wasted money, time, and extensive opportunity to arrive at the same decision if the F-35 is picked anyway. Its of course its not talked about, but contracting opportunities were lost.


Sure and of course that you're right.

But what I mean is that it could have been much, much worse: Such as the (Canadian) competition still being held but something other than the F-35 being selected.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 13:35

Some more SAAB Competition 'two eyes' verbiage here: https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busin ... 75792.html
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 14:52

spazsinbad wrote:Some more SAAB Competition 'two eyes' verbiage here: https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busin ... 75792.html



Using the whole two eyes thingy to explain why they will eventually drop out?

Might be more to do with not being able to meet the requirements and not being able to make the Industrial Benefits numbers work
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 20:29

ricnunes wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:They wasted money, time, and extensive opportunity to arrive at the same decision if the F-35 is picked anyway. Its of course its not talked about, but contracting opportunities were lost.


Sure and of course that you're right.

But what I mean is that it could have been much, much worse: Such as the (Canadian) competition still being held but something other than the F-35 being selected.



that could still happen...
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 21:55

XanderCrews wrote:
ricnunes wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:They wasted money, time, and extensive opportunity to arrive at the same decision if the F-35 is picked anyway. Its of course its not talked about, but contracting opportunities were lost.


Sure and of course that you're right.

But what I mean is that it could have been much, much worse: Such as the (Canadian) competition still being held but something other than the F-35 being selected.



that could still happen...


I hope not. If it does...well F@#$, another shitty precurement. Look at our new camo :doh: ffs lol
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Unread post05 Sep 2019, 00:35

lipovitand wrote:
I hope not. If it does...well F@#$, another shitty precurement. Look at our new camo :doh: ffs lol


http://strikehold.net/2019/05/01/new-ca ... ermediate/

Looks better than the UCP the US Army had and the tiger stripe amalgamation the USAF had
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Unread post05 Sep 2019, 01:42

It would be a real hoot if SAAB, Boeing and L-M all no-bid. Saab has to be the hungriest. Boeing and L-M could easily afford to pass on this order.
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Unread post05 Sep 2019, 08:16

LM passing would be a potentially big blow by itself because that could be bundled with the termination of the F-35 industry participation agreements.
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Unread post05 Sep 2019, 10:24

XanderCrews wrote:
ricnunes wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:They wasted money, time, and extensive opportunity to arrive at the same decision if the F-35 is picked anyway. Its of course its not talked about, but contracting opportunities were lost.


Sure and of course that you're right.

But what I mean is that it could have been much, much worse: Such as the (Canadian) competition still being held but something other than the F-35 being selected.



that could still happen...


I would say that's very unlikely.
Like it was previously said, if Canada was to select something other than the F-35 than it would already selected it by now.

The reality is that the only contender that has a minimal chance against the F-35 in Canada is like you correctly said, Boeing with the Super Hornet. But Boeing "blew" any chances it had with that Bombardier/CSeries/Delta issue.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post05 Sep 2019, 10:34

wolfpak wrote:It would be a real hoot if SAAB, Boeing and L-M all no-bid. Saab has to be the hungriest. Boeing and L-M could easily afford to pass on this order.


Why would LM pass the bid?? :shock:

It's all poised for LM to win in Canada and even the industry participation clause/score which was previously the main point of "discontent" regarding LM/F-35 was changed/amended to better suite this same bid (LM/F-35).
Actually, there's even a good chance that if/when LM bids that it will be the only company doing it, so and again (and with all due respect), why "on hell" wouldn't LM bid?
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post05 Sep 2019, 10:36

weasel1962 wrote:LM passing would be a potentially big blow by itself because that could be bundled with the termination of the F-35 industry participation agreements.

That could be too big of an embarrassment. They won't jeopardize future sales.
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Unread post05 Sep 2019, 10:49

charlielima223 wrote:
lipovitand wrote:
I hope not. If it does...well F@#$, another shitty precurement. Look at our new camo :doh: ffs lol


http://strikehold.net/2019/05/01/new-ca ... ermediate/

Looks better than the UCP the US Army had and the tiger stripe amalgamation the USAF had


I admit that I was initially very skeptical about this new Canadian camo pattern but from what I see in the link above, it really looks great (and cool).
It's seems like a fine combination of the current CADPAT camo (which I find to be quite good - and the USMC as well, BTW) with Multicam (currently used by the US Army and other US services).

So this new Canadian camo looks to be very good indeed. Of course that I agree that the money spend on this new camo would be better spend (IMO) on other more pressing and needed equipment for the Armed Forces since the current CADPAT camo is again and IMO, more than good enough.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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