Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post03 Sep 2019, 00:44

Actually, I always believed the odds were good for the F-35 in Canada and even Finland. Yet, questionable for somebody like the Swiss. Yet, if they win that. It doesn't look good in future fighter competitions for 4.5 Generation Fighters!



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Unread post03 Sep 2019, 16:39

lipovitand wrote:LOL, all the salt at BF4C :mrgreen:


I predict that there will be a mass suicide at BF4C once Saab removes itself from the competition (or otherwise gets eliminated from the Canadian competition). There will be even BF4C members which will try the suicide by having the Gripen E shot the gun at them which will frustrate them even more since the Gripen still doesn't have a gun and otherwise tested and ready to be fielded :mrgreen:


lipovitand wrote:This is just a waste of time and resources running this comp..jsut get the F35 FFS


Yes, that's true. But if in the end Canada selects the F-35 then not everything it lost in terms of the time and resources wasted :wink:
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post03 Sep 2019, 16:52

Damn, why didn't this happened exactly 2 weeks earlier?? :(
I've been in Ottawa between the 20th and 21st of August...

Two F-35s will arrive in Ottawa on Wednesday

Two F-35A fighter jets will arrive in Ottawa Wednesday. The aircraft will be in the city for the airshow to be held in Gatineau this weekend. The F-35 will not be on static display at the show but it will conduct a flight routine for the show. The aircraft are part of the U.S. Air Force F-35 flight demonstration team.

source: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... -wednesday
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post03 Sep 2019, 21:08

ricnunes wrote:
Yes, that's true. But if in the end Canada selects the F-35 then not everything it lost in terms of the time and resources wasted :wink:


They wasted money, time, and extensive opportunity to arrive at the same decision if the F-35 is picked anyway. Its of course its not talked about, but contracting opportunities were lost.

we know publicly its "well we have to make our decision"

And everyone in JSF land says "well we have to respect their process to make their decision"

But behind closed doors a lot of people are unhappy that Canada is playing stupid games and will have no problem sharking as many of their contracts as possible.
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 00:38

Sweden's Saab undecided on whether to bid on Canada's fighter-jet contract. This is so stupid now.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/09/03/ ... CqsiwLes7A

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There's an old rule among many in the fighter procurement business: "Too Early to Tell, Too Late to Stop".
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 03:44

arrow-nautics wrote:Sweden's Saab undecided on whether to bid on Canada's fighter-jet contract. This is so stupid now.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/09/03/ ... CqsiwLes7A

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Welcome to Canadian procurement :mrgreen:

they'll put you through hell 3 times and still not make a decision :doh:

Can Saab afford to rebid just to withdraw AGAIN?

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If the Non American security requirement in the article above is too expensive for Dassault and Airbus then Saab certainly can't afford it
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 07:19

Heheh - the current CANNOTuckian GUBmint must be a close winner with India for Military Aircraft Procurement HELL!
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 08:20

spazsinbad wrote:Heheh - the current CANNOTuckian GUBmint must be a close winner with India for Military Aircraft Procurement HELL!




To close to call..... :shock:
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 09:21

XanderCrews wrote:They wasted money, time, and extensive opportunity to arrive at the same decision if the F-35 is picked anyway. Its of course its not talked about, but contracting opportunities were lost.


Sure and of course that you're right.

But what I mean is that it could have been much, much worse: Such as the (Canadian) competition still being held but something other than the F-35 being selected.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 13:35

Some more SAAB Competition 'two eyes' verbiage here: https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busin ... 75792.html
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 14:52

spazsinbad wrote:Some more SAAB Competition 'two eyes' verbiage here: https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busin ... 75792.html



Using the whole two eyes thingy to explain why they will eventually drop out?

Might be more to do with not being able to meet the requirements and not being able to make the Industrial Benefits numbers work
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Unread post04 Sep 2019, 20:29

ricnunes wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:They wasted money, time, and extensive opportunity to arrive at the same decision if the F-35 is picked anyway. Its of course its not talked about, but contracting opportunities were lost.


Sure and of course that you're right.

But what I mean is that it could have been much, much worse: Such as the (Canadian) competition still being held but something other than the F-35 being selected.



that could still happen...
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Unread post05 Sep 2019, 00:35

lipovitand wrote:
I hope not. If it does...well F@#$, another shitty precurement. Look at our new camo :doh: ffs lol


http://strikehold.net/2019/05/01/new-ca ... ermediate/

Looks better than the UCP the US Army had and the tiger stripe amalgamation the USAF had
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Unread post05 Sep 2019, 01:42

It would be a real hoot if SAAB, Boeing and L-M all no-bid. Saab has to be the hungriest. Boeing and L-M could easily afford to pass on this order.
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Unread post05 Sep 2019, 08:16

LM passing would be a potentially big blow by itself because that could be bundled with the termination of the F-35 industry participation agreements.
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