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Unread post23 Jul 2019, 00:05

South Korea to build ship for short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft

By: Jeff Jeong  


SEOUL — South Korea is to launch a new version of a large-deck landing ship from which short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft can operate by the late 2020s, amid naval buildups in China and Japan.


The decision was made during a July 12 meeting of top brass presided over by Gen. Park Han-ki, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Anti-Japanese sentiment in South Korea is gaining traction over Tokyo’s export restrictions on high-tech materials to South Korea.


“The plan of building the LPH-II ship has been included in a long-term force buildup plan,” said a spokesman for the Joint Chiefs, speaking on condition of anonymity and using an acronym for “landing platform helicopter.”


“Once a preliminary research is completed within a couple of years, the shipbuilding plan is expected to be included in the midterm acquisition list,” the spokesman added.


The new LPH is to be refit to displace 30,000 tons, double the capacity of the previous two LPHs — Dokdo and Marado — with 14,500 tons of displacement. The carrier-type vessel is also bigger than the 27,000 tons associated with Japan’s Izumo-class helicopter destroyers.


“It’s the first time that a light aircraft carrier-class ship is pursued under South Korea’s force improvement plans,” Kim Dae-young, an analyst at the Seoul-based Korea Research Institute for National Strategy, told Defense News. “It’s also a symbolic and meaningful step to upgrade the country’s naval capability against potential threats posed by Japan and China.”

Japan has plans to convert its two Izumo-class helicopter destroyers by 2023 to light aircraft carriers from which the F-35B short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing (STOVL) jet can operate.


China is building two more aircraft carriers in addition to Liaoning, a refurbished ex-Soviet carrier. A modified version of the Liaoning is currently being fitted out in northern China, while another, larger carrier is having its modules built at a shipyard in the city of Shanghai. China is also building a Type 075 helicopter assault ship at another shipyard in the same city, while continuing to crank out a variety of conventional and nuclear-powered submarines.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/ ... IW5yOg4UUE
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Unread post23 Jul 2019, 06:24

Now with South Korea joining Japan as owners of F-35B Carriers. Will this change Australia view on acquiring the Lightning II for the Canberra Class of LHD's???
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Unread post23 Jul 2019, 09:58

Corsair1963 wrote:Now with South Korea joining Japan as owners of F-35B Carriers. Will this change Australia view on acquiring the Lightning II for the Canberra Class of LHD's???

Never for the 2 current LHD and not any decision in the next decade, is my opinion. After that we would have to wait and see for post 2030 decisions. Then another 10 years to get to IOC, if there is ever any decision to go ahead.
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Unread post24 Jul 2019, 06:48

optimist wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:Now with South Korea joining Japan as owners of F-35B Carriers. Will this change Australia view on acquiring the Lightning II for the Canberra Class of LHD's???

Never for the 2 current LHD and not any decision in the next decade, is my opinion. After that we would have to wait and see for post 2030 decisions. Then another 10 years to get to IOC, if there is ever any decision to go ahead.



I'll take that bet.....My guess is the RAN will acquire some F-35B's for the Canberra Class before 2030.
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Unread post24 Jul 2019, 23:09

There is a thread about 'future possible Bees on LHDs ozwize': viewtopic.php?f=61&t=54736
Italy’s Cavour aircraft carrier starts F-35B modification work
23 Jul 2019 Nathan Gain

"The Italian Navy « Cavour » aircraft carrier yesterday entered the « Edgardo Ferrati » basin at the Maritime Military Arsenal in Taranto, the Italian MoD stated.

The maneuver represents a turning point in the maintenance and adaptation work that will, after ten years of active service, allow the ship to adapt to the standards for the F-35B fighter jet which will replace the current fleet of AV-8B Harrier II SVTOL aircraft. Since WW2, the Cavour, with its 27,000 tons, is the largest ship to enter the « Edgardo Ferrati » dry dock. The delicate maneuver, from the entry phase to the emptying and positioning of the ship, lasted about 17 hours and involved not only the Cavour crew, but also the civilian and military personnel of the Maritime Military Arsenal....

...In the coming months, some of the most important technical interventions will be carried out on board the aircraft, including the careening <rusty irony ON> "careening 1. turn (a ship) on its side for cleaning, caulking, or repair." <rustic ironic OFF> and metallization of the flight deck, necessary to limit the thermodynamic impacts when the F-35B will take off and land.

In the spring of 2020, the Cavour aircraft carrier will face a preparatory training period for the next departure for the United States in the summer of the same year, where it will conduct some tests with the F-35B aircraft on board. These activities will represent the first important steps for achieving the Initial Operational Capacity of the aircraft carrier with its renewed Italian Navy Aviation capability.

The Cavour upgrade phase started a month after the second Italian Navy’s F35B – individual registration code 4-02 – took off from the Cameri (Novara) Final Assembly and Check Out plant FACO to make its flight to the United States. The aircraft final destination is MCAS Beaufort, in South Carolina, where the aircraft will join the first F-35B (4-01) in supporting the training of the F-35B Italian pilots and technicians.

The third F-35B – already at an advanced stage of assembly at Cameri – will be transferred as well to MCAS Beaufort in support of the training of the Italian F-35B personnel. The first acceptance flights have been scheduled to be performed in late summer and delivered in autumn. The initial training programme of the Italian personnel in the US will include, starting from July, approximately 18 months of flight and aircraft maintenance activities with Marine support staff. The Italian Navy ordered a total of 15 F-35B fighter jets. The Italian Air Force has the same amount on order (in addition to about 60 F-35A models)."

Source: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... tion-work/
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Unread post29 Jul 2019, 01:58

Another CAVOUR e-mailed SKI JUMP photo with deck unfinished otherwise.
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Unread post16 Aug 2019, 01:31

One paragraph is important but synergy with other new bits for South Korean Armed Forces and F-35Bs will be significant.
(2nd LD) S. Korea to acquire more anti-missile radars, interceptors to counter N.K. threats
14 Aug 2019 Oh Seok-min

"...the military seeks to begin constructing a light aircraft carrier on which F-35B stealth fighter jets land..."

Source: https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN2019081400 ... al/defense
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Unread post17 Aug 2019, 09:15

Tenno heika banzai!

“The Defense Ministry has formally announced the selection of the U.S.-made F-35B cutting-edge stealth fighter jet as part of its plan to acquire short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft.

The ministry, which made the decision Friday, plans to renovate the Maritime Self-Defense Force’s Izumo-class helicopter carriers into de facto aircraft carriers to host the F-35Bs.”

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/ ... -jets-u-s/
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Unread post17 Aug 2019, 09:45

RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post17 Aug 2019, 15:27

spazsinbad wrote:Another CAVOUR e-mailed SKI JUMP photo with deck unfinished otherwise.

Wow when I was a younger being that image would have salivating to get my skateboard out and calculate whether any nearby security guards look like they could run faster than me.
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Unread post18 Aug 2019, 22:50

Izumo with proposed changes

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Unread post19 Aug 2019, 01:35

zerion wrote:Izumo with proposed changes

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That model has floated around the internet for sometime now. Yet, I don't believe it's from any "official" Japanese Government Source. Which, means the real thing may look somewhat different.
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RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post19 Aug 2019, 06:37

The shape of the ramp forward area would probably be easy to create a coanda effect across it and down the ramp. Would a boost in ground effect be helpful?
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Unread post19 Aug 2019, 10:12

'We' do not know what the IZUMO ramp will look like - the graphic is a fantasy production as indicated. As for COANDA EFFECT? Airflow over the modified ship (which we do not know from any source) will be at least computer modelled if not modelled by other means to find all kinds of 'wind effects' to ensure safe flight operations of helos and STOVL aircraft.

We have info for both the Queen Elizabeth Class & RAN LHDs. This info is part of a SHOL diagram &/or Ski Jump Takeoff.
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