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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 12:22

(I know it's also French but still)

MBDA introduces the SmartGlider family of weapons

Le Bourget, 19 June 2017.
MBDA presents the new SmartGlider family of guided weapons, optimised to counter anti-access strategies and other emerging battlespace threats. Planned to become available for fast jets no later than 2025, SmartGlider forms a family of all-up-round glider weapons, with folding wings and a range of over 100 km. This new generation of air-to-ground weapons is designed to counter new networked short- and medium-range surface-to-air threats, as well as moving/relocatable targets or hardened fixed targets.

The compact family member, SmartGlider Light, is 2 meters long and weighs 120 kg. 12 to 18 SmartGlider Lights can be carried on an aircraft thanks to a Hexabomb Smart Launcher (HSL) capable of managing reactive strikes without affecting the pilot’s workload [...]

Last, MBDA also prepares a 1,300 kg SmartGlider Heavy able to carry a multipurpose warhead of more than 1,000 kg to deal with large and hardened infrastructure.


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So I guess 120 kg glide bomb with a seeker is something with less range than SPEAR 3 but probably has a little more punch.

It's big brother is ~3000 pounds, and thus too heavy to be carried internally (as per disclosed rating of 2500 lb for station 4 and 8 hardpoints) on an F-35, and probably is too large for the British F-35B too. Also 1000 kg of HE in a 1300 kg package seems like an unproportionally large number even for a general purpose bomb, let alone penetrating one. Probably multiple warheads (shaped charge for penetration, rest to affect the target)?
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Unread post21 Jun 2017, 16:14

Sounds like MBDA just re-invented SDB II and JSOW?
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Unread post18 Sep 2017, 08:24

https://www.upi.com/Harris-Corp-develop ... 505239883/

Harris Corp. developing F-35 missile release system

Sept. 12 (UPI) -- Harris Corporation is to develop a carriage and release system for the new MBDA Spear missile for Britain's F-35B aircraft and other fighters...
Under the contract, Harris will provide four internal bay-compatible SCORPION Lightweight Ejection Rack Units for two F-35 weapon bays. They are to provide the aircraft's pilot with reliable weapon-departure control of the missiles.
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post21 Dec 2017, 07:08

The Joint New Air to Air Missile goes ahead
17 Dec 2017 Gabriele

"The JNAAM is a development of Meteor that will include, it is believed, an AESA seeker developed by Japan. This evolved missile would then equip aircraft including the F-35s of both UK and Japan. It is currently the most interesting joint programme among those launched with the aim of deepening the bilateral collaboration. At the Ministerial Meeting on 14 December the two countries agreed to looking forward “to the early embodiment of the joint research project including the research prototyping and the launch testing”.

The ministers also “welcomed that the first bilateral co-operative research project of Chemical and Biological Protection Technology was successfully completed in July 2017. They welcomed progress made on the Project for the Cooperative Research on Personnel Vulnerability Evaluation, and confirmed the exploration of possible co-operation on projects of interest including the Joint Preliminary Study on Potential Collaborative Opportunities for Future Combat Air System/ Future Fighter, launched in March this year”.

The JNAAM is very interesting on its own, but it becomes even more important as it could help open a path to joint development of that “Future Fighter” that could be the post-Typhoon face of UK airpower and the future of the british aerospace industry...."



Source: http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot ... le-of.html
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Unread post21 Dec 2017, 08:04

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Unread post20 Apr 2019, 10:45

MBDA discloses development of SPEAR variants
18 Apr 2019 Robin Hughes

"MBDA in the UK has disclosed details on the development of two prospective air-launched missile variants evolved from its baseline SPEAR stand-off, air-to-surface developmental weapon system: SPEAR-EW (electronic warfare) and SPEAR-Glide.

Still in its development phase, the SPEAR weapon is MBDA's solution for the UK Ministry of Defence's (MoD's) 100 kg class Selective Precision Effects At Range Capability 3 (SPEAR Cap 3) requirement. The MoD awarded MBDA a GBP411 million (USD536 million) four-year SPEAR Cap 3 Development Phase contract in March 2016 for critical design and development work to tailor the SPEAR weapon for use within the internal weapons bay of the UK Royal Air Force and Royal Navy F-35 Lightning multirole stealth aircraft. Integration of SPEAR onto the Eurofighter Typhoon is also a programme of record for the RAF.

SPEAR is a long-range missile powered by a Pratt & Whitney TJ-130 turbojet engine to deliver a given range of over 140 km, according to MBDA. Designed to operate as an all-weather capability, SPEAR introduces a significant evolution of the terminal guidance seeker package developed for the Brimstone missile, featuring a combined radio frequency (RF) imaging sensor and a semi-active laser (SAL) seeker with an enhanced algorithm and processing capability that enables the missile to 'see' and record images of the target area through the RF imaging element of the seeker.

Navigation is delivered through anti-jam GPS combined with a Micro-Electro-Mechanical Systems (MEMS)-based inertial measurement unit sourced from UTC Aerospace Systems. The missile also features an insensitive munition-compliant multi-effects warhead - sourced from TDW - with multiple fusing options that provides a low collateral footprint and allows for tunable effects to the target; and a two-way datalink.

Weighing less than 100 kg and 1.8 m in length, MBDA's SPEAR solution features a circular 180 mm cross-section airframe, dorsally mounted fold-out wings (folding rearward for stowage), a revised intake arrangement with twin side inlets, and three folding tail surfaces."

Graphic: "Artist’s rendering of the baseline SPEAR weapon, SPEAR-EW, and SPEAR-Glide launched from the F-35 and Eurofighter Typhoon platforms. Source: MBDA" https://www.janes.com/images/assets/978 ... 0_main.jpg


Source: https://www.janes.com/article/87978/mbd ... r-variants
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Unread post20 Apr 2019, 16:06

I can't stress how excited iam for SPEAR-EW , best thing ever
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Unread post03 Aug 2019, 09:49

eloise wrote:I can't stress how excited iam for SPEAR-EW , best thing ever


The 3 versions of Spear are a fantastic capability.
Spear itself outperforms any competition, but won't be cheap..
Spear EW is a fairly unique capability, smaller than MALD-J
SpearGlide will be the direct SDBII Stormbreaker competitor with a larger warhead but no propulsion

What the range really needs though is a Spear 'Simple' (what used to be called 'Value Engineered'). Essentially a SpearGlide without the MMW seeker, just reliant on GPS/INS and possibly a SAL seeker head. That would provide some competition for SDBI and round the range out.

As to SmartGlider? That really demonstrates one of the flaws in MBDA as a joint European missile house. SpearGlide and Spear already fill that niche in the MBDA catalogue, instead because the French won't buy Spear they're going to re-invent the wheel....madness.

SmartGlider Heavy though is interesting. The UK needs a a heavier weapon that PWIV with its 500lb warhead. EPWIII and PWII are not going to be carried by F-35 for the UK and the UK lacks a longer range gliding weapon. The template for SmartGlider Heavy should be JSOW. A weapon with modular payloads would be very useful.
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Unread post03 Aug 2019, 23:54

timmymagic wrote:
eloise wrote:I can't stress how excited iam for SPEAR-EW , best thing ever


What the range really needs though is a Spear 'Simple' (what used to be called 'Value Engineered'). Essentially a SpearGlide without the MMW seeker, just reliant on GPS/INS and possibly a SAL seeker head. That would provide some competition for SDBI and round the range out.


If you don't want to re-invent a wheel for a general-purpose precision-guided glide-bomb then cheap-ish JDAM-ER kits exist and can be configured or upgraded as necessary with a laser sensor plus immunity to GPS-jamming or an all-weather radar sensor. Testing achieved a claimed 72 km from a 40,000 ft launch (classic Hornet) with a 500 lb GBU, so is likely to go further out with F-35 and its 10K to 15K feet higher altitude performance.

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Unread post05 Aug 2019, 00:03

timmymagic wrote:The template for SmartGlider Heavy should be JSOW. A weapon with modular payloads would be very useful.


Except JSOW-ER is going the other direction by trading (in a non-modular way) payload for range.
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Unread post07 Aug 2019, 07:58

I don't get JSOW-ER. Well I get the usefulness of a standoff weapon but it's not like they are lobbing it at guys in a pickup truck, they are going to use it to hit something valuable. Might as well use JASSM which is more survivable (stealthier, can fly lower) and has a bigger warhead.
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Unread post07 Aug 2019, 08:15

JSOW-ER is internal to the F-35.
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Unread post07 Aug 2019, 09:23

squirrelshoes wrote:I don't get JSOW-ER. Well I get the usefulness of a standoff weapon but it's not like they are lobbing it at guys in a pickup truck, they are going to use it to hit something valuable. Might as well use JASSM which is more survivable (stealthier, can fly lower) and has a bigger warhead.


Dedicated RCS treatment plus carried to high-altitude in cold air before launch then glides through cold air for most of the way, at a speed which makes for next to no thermal heating of leading edges. I'm guessing it has penetration and terminal electronic aids to explain the smaller warhead within such a large chassis. RAAF chose to use JSOW on Super Hornet (JASSM on the classic Hornet only) and it was these Super Hornets which replaced the F-111 as a dedicated regional strike aircraft, where JSOW was its best stand-off strike weapon. Recently noticed JASSM (not just LRASM) is now listed as integrated on Super Hornet so I guess JASSM's now an option there too.

JSOW lacks little other than the range for a 4th-gen to make a surprise strike but now with F-35A internal carry that's covered to. If you need LOS sensor observation of the target and strike then JSOW's the cheaper dedicated VLO weapon for it.

Internal JSOW-ER on F-35A and C is still 4 years away from first batch delivery, apparently to USN first (even though LRASM, JASSM and JASSM-ER are now all available on SH). JSOW-ER capability remains a priority, presumably because it remains cheaper than buying a new JASSM-ER. But even then there's no indication JSOW-C1 will be phased out.

The Requirements for the JSOW-ER includes: extending the range of the existing JSOW C-1 variant while maintaining targeting and performance capabilities, carriage on F-18 and internal carriage on F-35A/C while minimizing any changes to existing aircraft integration and limitations, hardware and software modifications to optimize midcourse and endgame performance for the powered variant of the JSOW, and deployment to the fleet no later than FY23.
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Unread post07 Aug 2019, 22:15

element1loop wrote:guessing it has penetration and terminal electronic aids to explain the smaller warhead within such a large chassis.


Based on what? They barely had enough power to sustain the datalink at range for JSOW-C-1.

I guess you could argue that the alternator on the TJ-150 would let them power the datalink
at the extended range and some EW features but given that they carve up the warhead
to fit the fuel tank I'm skeptical of any other additions.


element1loop wrote:Internal JSOW-ER on F-35A and C is still 4 years away from first batch delivery, apparently to USN first (even though LRASM, JASSM and JASSM-ER are now all available on SH). JSOW-ER capability remains a priority, presumably because it remains cheaper than buying a new JASSM-ER. But even then there's no indication JSOW-C1 will be phased out.


Based on the FY20 budget, it's cheaper than buying JASSM baseline.
And datalinked; they have talked about datalinking JASSM versions other than LRASM
but my guess is that they'll just wait for JASSM-D.

I'm guessing JSOW-C-1 will be reworked to JSOW-ER standard.

What you will likely get with JSOW-ER is the equivalent to powered version of SDB with a datalink and terminal seeker.
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Unread post08 Aug 2019, 05:43

element1loop wrote:Internal JSOW-ER on F-35A and C is still 4 years away from first batch delivery, apparently to USN first (even though LRASM, JASSM and JASSM-ER are now all available on SH). JSOW-ER capability remains a priority, presumably because it remains cheaper than buying a new JASSM-ER. But even then there's no indication JSOW-C1 will be phased out.


Classic JASSM is probably unavailable without redesign due to turbine manufacturer Teledyne leaving the business. Same turbine (Teledyne CAE J402-CA-100) was apparently in certain other missiles too (Harpoon?). It probably could use WDL aka 2-way datalink from -ER too at the same time.

But the family is looking at increased demand (new factory in Alabama), so they will be developed further.
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