Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post18 Jul 2019, 20:18

Let RCAF pilots and crews attend a Red Flag with their hand-me-down Hornets. Have them fly with F-35s and then have them fly against them. Let the Canadian media be there when not a single RCAF hornet survives against F-35 or F-22.
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Unread post18 Jul 2019, 20:36

Do the same but at Northern Edge.... it's closer :)
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Unread post19 Jul 2019, 01:51

Lookin' sharp (Canada)

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Unread post19 Jul 2019, 12:47

Corsair1963 wrote:
ricnunes wrote:They are diferences of course but in general I would say that you are IMO absolutely right.

Moreover, in Italy there's currently a government that when was elected also promised to cancel the F-35! Yet when they reached the office they completely changed their stance regarding the F-35 (doesn't this kinda reminds/resembles the country starting with "Ca" and ending with "da" and with a "na" in the middle?) .

Yet, we could go on discussing the diferences and nuances between what happens in Canada and in the other countries or more precisely between each country but the fact is that IMO, what is happening in Canada also happened in many, if not most of other countries that purchased the F-35 and/or are JSF members (although again, with its diferences/nuances).
IMO, the biggest diference regarding the public/political perception/stance regarding the F-35 between Canada and the other countries is that the other countries already decided to buy the F-35 while Canada is yet to decide to buy it.


Actually, they did decide to buy it, then hold off and have a fighter competition, then not to buy it, back to holding another fighter competition......

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Yes, you're correct of course.
However you should add the following somewhere in the middle of your narrative above:
- "then promised to get out of the JSF/F-35 program but this was reverted and Canada stayed as a JSF/F-35 partner" :wink:

Nevertheless, that situation above is not very dissimilar to what happened in Italy for instance.
For example in Italy they decided to buy it, then afterwards a new government was elected with the promise of cancelling the F-35 purchase and Italy's participation on the program, soon later it was decided to only buy a few F-35s (the ones that were contracted so far) and maintain Italy on the program and then reverting all of this back the full commitment to the F-35 purchase/program.

There are of course diferences between Canada and Italy but these seem to be due to:
1- When the Italian new government took the office the F-35 was already purchased (albeit a few) where in Canada no F-35's were still purchased when the new government took the office.
2- There's a F-35 factory (assembly line) in Italy and this changes/influences things quite a lot in terms of "speed" regarding a final decision to buy the F-35.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post19 Jul 2019, 12:48

jetblast16 wrote:Lookin' sharp (Canada)

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Don't show that to Justin Trudeau, he might want to buy that scrap/junk for the RCAF :bang:
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post19 Jul 2019, 20:34

ricnunes wrote:
jetblast16 wrote:Lookin' sharp (Canada)

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Don't show that to Justin Trudeau, he might want to buy that scrap/junk for the RCAF :bang:


If you tell that SJW cuck that the F-35 has multi-gender capability and is part of some minority group, he'll be all over the F-35 like stupid is on Rep Ocasio Cortez.
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Unread post20 Jul 2019, 01:34



Definitely don't show him this (Tru-dolt) :devil:
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Unread post20 Jul 2019, 16:16

ricnunes wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:Its like theyre in their own little world, and it shows. again this isn't BF4C's fault. the conditioning has paid off very nicely. like my 65 million example there. No one in the states was ever being told Super Hornets were 65 million, and certainly not year after year. Theyre good little students, they regurgitate what theyre told, and even better attack anyone else that tries to tell them otherwise. knowledge, sources, experience, reason, facts, history are meaningless to them.


I have to disagree with you regarding the above.
BF4C is an "online platform" conceived to promote the Gripen E as Canada's future fighter aircraft and at the same time being anti-F-35 (probably because they conceive it as being the biggest threat to Gripen in Canada).

So they are BIASED. As such I'm don't believe for a second that they limit themselves to regurgitate what they're told! They (BF4C) regurgitate what best fits their narrative which is being Pro-Gripen E and Anti-F-35.
As an evidence of this is what you correctly mentioned in your post - The Super Hornet doesn't cost $65 Million and now that we are at it, neither does the other aircraft (Gripen E, Rafale, Typhoon, you name it...) cost what their respective companies claims - and this is well known even within the (biased) media. Yet, BF4C continues to refuse to acknowledge this.


And where did the bias come from? If an authority figure tells someone the earth is flat they're going to be afraid of falling off the edge whether they want to be or not.

I don't know if something is being lost in translation or what. I never said they were unbiased, I said they're a reflection of biased communications repeated for years. Mix with some confirmation bias, favoritism, fanboyism, and an echo chamber and that's what you get. No one is immune to propoganda.

However, one can go onto other international boards, even more euro skewed boards. Even gripen boards and see less bias as again, they're not under the umbrella of Canadian media brain washing. Did we notice that no one outside of Canada had to hear about how super Hornets were 65 million? That was a uniquely Canadian lie. Repeated until it became "fact" in the minds of those at the highest level.
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Unread post21 Jul 2019, 20:05

The bias comes from the blog creator who happens to love the Gripen and, maybe not coincidentally, has the IQ of a cucumber. He literally thought it was Lockheed Martin propaganda that the F-35 has a 25:1 kill ratio. According to him, that would be impossible since a single F-35 can’t carry that many missiles to shoot down 25 planes in a single mission. Once I explained to him and the other tide pod eaters how kill ratios actually work, I got banned from the page. That’s the IQ level of the majority of people there.
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Unread post21 Jul 2019, 23:14

kimjongnumbaun wrote:The bias comes from the blog creator who happens to love the Gripen and, maybe not coincidentally, has the IQ of a cucumber. He literally thought it was Lockheed Martin propaganda that the F-35 has a 25:1 kill ratio. According to him, that would be impossible since a single F-35 can’t carry that many missiles to shoot down 25 planes in a single mission. Once I explained to him and the other tide pod eaters how kill ratios actually work, I got banned from the page. That’s the IQ level of the majority of people there.


This, absolutely this!

If I'm not mistaken, the name of that fellow is Doug Allen.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post21 Jul 2019, 23:19

charlielima223 wrote:If you tell that SJW cuck that the F-35 has multi-gender capability and is part of some minority group, he'll be all over the F-35 like stupid is on Rep Ocasio Cortez.


Yeah, if someone tells him that F-35 accomplishes everything in every spectrum, he may believe that the F-35 belongs to the LGBTXYZQWERTY123XPTO group and it will become the instant winner! :mrgreen:
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post22 Jul 2019, 00:12

ricnunes wrote:
kimjongnumbaun wrote:The bias comes from the blog creator who happens to love the Gripen and, maybe not coincidentally, has the IQ of a cucumber. He literally thought it was Lockheed Martin propaganda that the F-35 has a 25:1 kill ratio. According to him, that would be impossible since a single F-35 can’t carry that many missiles to shoot down 25 planes in a single mission. Once I explained to him and the other tide pod eaters how kill ratios actually work, I got banned from the page. That’s the IQ level of the majority of people there.


This, absolutely this!

If I'm not mistaken, the name of that fellow is Doug Allen.


Correct. And think about this. The people following his blog, generally, know less than him.

My reaction to every post there.
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Unread post23 Jul 2019, 22:44

The NEVER ENDING story continues....
Canada’s final solicitation for its next-gen fighter is out. Who will bid for the contract?
23 Jul 2019 Valerie Insinna

"WASHINGTON — Canada on Tuesday issued a final solicitation for its much-hyped fighter competition, which will replace its fleet of aging CF-18s with 88 new jets.... Four vendors are expected to respond to the final request for proposals....

...Those companies will have two chances to submit bids, according to a news release by the Canadian government. A first “security” offer is due in fall 2019. Vendors will then be permitted to revise and resubmit their proposals in spring 2020.... [oh ffsake]

… [the canuck gubmint can be heroes - just for one day] "Our government is delivering on its promise to replace Canada's fighter jet fleet through an open and transparent competition,” said Carla Qualtrough, Canada’s procurement minister. “Today marks an important step in the process that will provide the women and men of the Royal Canadian Air Force with the aircraft they need to help ensure the safety and security of Canadians, at the right price and with the most economic benefit to Canada."

Harjit Sajjan, Canada’s minister of national defense, said it was “essential that we get the right equipment,” as the new jets will be used by the Royal Canadian Air Force for decades.

Each company’s bid will be evaluated on the basis of technical merit — which comprises 60 percent of the entrant’s score — as well as cost and economic benefits, each weighted at 20 percent....

...The Canadian government announced in May that it would take a more “flexible” approach to grading an offering’s economic benefit, with higher scores going to competitors that could guarantee workshare, the Ottawa Citizen reported.

The new criteria likely puts Lockheed at a disadvantage, but the company intends to bid. “Lockheed Martin has received the final Request for Proposal for Canada’s Future Fighter Procurement Competition and we look forward to participating in the competition,” the company said in a statement Tuesday. “The F-35 is the most capable, best value fighter with significant, long-term industrial opportunities and as the competitive process continues, we are excited to share more about the F-35’s ability to strengthen defense, enhance ally partnerships and drive economic growth in Canada.”...."

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Unread post23 Jul 2019, 23:08

ricnunes wrote:
charlielima223 wrote:If you tell that SJW cuck that the F-35 has multi-gender capability and is part of some minority group, he'll be all over the F-35 like stupid is on Rep Ocasio Cortez.


Yeah, if someone tells him that F-35 accomplishes everything in every spectrum, he may believe that the F-35 belongs to the LGBTXYZQWERTY123XPTO group and it will become the instant winner! :mrgreen:


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Unread post24 Jul 2019, 01:39

[quote="spazsinbad"] The NEVER ENDING story continues....



The way Trudeau wants it! :?
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