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Unread post12 Mar 2019, 04:28

The FY2020 Budget will be about in a few days.

Please put anything you find interesting here and if you post it in another thread, post a link here so it makes searches easier.

As in the past, the USN site is the first to create a 2020 page but all the PDFs are just placeholders.

https://www.secnav.navy.mil/fmc/fmb/Pag ... -2020.aspx
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Unread post12 Mar 2019, 04:44

President's budget is here:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/u ... fy2020.pdf

The Budget also buys two large experimental unmanned surface ships and 12 battle force ships, including three guided missile destroyers, three fast attack submarines, and the first of a new class of guided missile frig-ates. The Budget also supports the Navy’s recent innovative procurement of nuclear aircraft carriers, which should enable the shipbuilder to achieve unprecedented efficiencies from the construction of two ships.


NS factsheet: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/u ... _FINAL.pdf

In 2020, the Budget funds an end strength of 2,140,300 active and reserve military personnel, buys 12 battle force ships and two large experimental unmanned surface vessels, procures 110 fighter aircraft, and modernizes nearly two brigade combat teams.
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Unread post12 Mar 2019, 04:55

A BUDGET FOR A Better America - PROMISES KEPT. TAXPAYERS FIRST.
FISCAL YEAR 2020 BUDGET OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

" DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE Funding Highlights:
• The Department of Defense (DOD) provides the combat credible military capabilities needed to compete, deter, and if necessary, fight and win wars to protect the security of the United States.

• The Budget funds the National Defense Strategy to support DOD’s three lines of effort: rebuilding readiness and lethality; strengthening alliances and partnerships; and improving performance and affordability through reform.

The Budget requests $718 billion for DOD, a $33 billion or 5-percent increase from the 2019 enacted level."
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"...Advances Airpower for the 21st Century. The Budget request supports the continued modernization of DOD’s aircraft fleets to enable them to meet the challenges they will face in the contested environment of the future. The Air Force’s tactical fighter investment program is focused on procuring the advanced F-35A stealth fighter while improving its fleet of current fighters such as the F-15 and F-16. The Navy and Marine Corps would also continue to procure their own variants of the F-35, as well as modernize their current F/A-18E/F fighters. In addition, the Budget continues to fund the
development of the next generation stealth bomber and procurement of KC-46 aerial refueling tankers. These investment programs would ensure that DOD will be able to successfully counter the wide variety of threats that could be encountered in future combat situations....


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Unread post12 Mar 2019, 05:05

SECDEF Mattis parting gift to the DoD.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/09/poli ... index.html
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post12 Mar 2019, 21:23

Navy Unveils Record Budget, Pushing Above 300 Ships
12 Mar 2019 Paul McLeary

"The US Navy now says it'll reach 355 ships by 2034, while whacking F-35Bs and a carrier from its five-year plan. What's the strategy?

...The aircraft budget, the Navy wants to spend $18.6 billion to purchase 148 aircraft, including 20 F-35Cs, which is four more compared to last year’s plan. But it also wants to buy 10 F-35Bs, 10-plane fewer than estimated last year. There is also a line for 24 more F/A-18E-F Super Hornets.

When it comes to the proposed F-35 cuts, those decisions were “tied to force structure mixes,” Crites said, adding that the Navy and Marines are looking to avoid duplicating efforts.

Elsewhere, the Marine Corps F-35B program was slashed by 19 planes over the Future Years Defense Plan (FYDP), with 10 fewer in 2020, five in 2021, three in 2022 and one in 2023."

Source: https://breakingdefense.com/2019/03/nav ... 300-ships/
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Unread post12 Mar 2019, 21:35

Can we finally put to bed the myth that the SecDef is not pushing Boeing planes across the services?
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Unread post12 Mar 2019, 23:15

2020 BUDGET: Airpower Wins Big; ‘Multi-Domain’ Emerges
12 Mar 2019 Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.

"For all the talk of major changes, the Pentagon is pouring money into some pretty traditional priorities.

...At $57.7 billion, the “Air Domain” is the largest single category, by far, in the 2020 budget request’s list of major investments to “enhance competitiveness” with great-power rivals. Almost all of it is Air Force programs, with the F-35, despite cuts, still the largest single item….

...these investments still pale beside the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, still the largest conventional weapons program in US history. When it comes to future warfare, the Pentagon’s vision still boils down to massive investments in airpower. That’s despite increasing concerns that China and Russia have focused their own investments precisely on keeping our airplanes at bay, even the stealth aircraft — an approach known as Anti-Access/Area Denial — and on disrupting the globe-spanning networks required to coordinate them — through cyber and electronic warfare...."

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Unread post12 Mar 2019, 23:20

Air Force Asks for 4,400 More Airmen, New F-15EX Fighter in Budget Request
12 Mar 2019 Oriana Pawlyk

"...As anticipated, the Air Force will officially ask to fund eight brand-new F-15EX fourth-plus generation fighters at a cost of $1.05 billion to gradually begin replacing its older F-15C/D Eagle fleet, the budget documents reveal. Service officials recently disclosed the Air Force needs to boost its fighter inventory, but it had not expected to do so with an F-15X variant.

"We remain committed to the F-35 and its game-changing capabilities … [but the budget] balances readiness and modernization in the near-term by procuring eight F-15EX aircraft to refresh our [current] F-15 fleet, allowing us to benefit from foreign partner investments in the F-15 line," said Air Force Maj. Gen. John Pletcher. Pletcher, the deputy assistant secretary for budget at the Air Force's Office of the Assistant Secretary for Financial Management and the Comptroller at the Pentagon, briefed reporters Tuesday.

The Air Force estimates it will cost $80 million per aircraft, but that cost could rise to roughly $125 million for each of the eight jets "to set up the line" and account for non-recurring engineering costs in the first year of procurement, he said. "And, of course, you have the spares and everything else as well."

By comparison, the cost of the Air Force’s F-35A has dropped to $89 million per aircraft....

...More F-35As. The service wants 48 F-35A Joint Strike Fighters, down eight from the 56 it received last year at a cost of $4.9 billion. The service requested 48 in fiscal 2019, but got additional funding from lawmakers. The Air Force is supposed to plus-up its fifth-generation inventory to 54 aircraft per year beginning in fiscal 2021…."

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Unread post12 Mar 2019, 23:32

Highlights of the Department of the Navy FY 2020
Budget Office of Budget - 2019
PDF pp130

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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 00:49

USAF is also up. Anti-F15 folks won't like it. It includes 8 F-15EX.

https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/FM-Resources/Budget/

See slide 12.
https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/Portals/84/ ... 110008-150

110 fighters = 48 F-35A, 10 F-35B, 20 F-35C, 24 F-18E/F, 8 F-15EX.
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 01:08

weasel1962 wrote:USAF is also up. Anti-F15 folks won't like it. It includes 8 F-15EX.

https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/FM-Resources/Budget/

See slide 12.
https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/Portals/84/ ... 110008-150

110 fighters = 48 F-35A, 10 F-35B, 20 F-35C, 24 F-18E/F, 8 F-15EX.



We all knew the USAF was going to request F-15X's in the FY2020 Budget. We also knew it was because of pressure from the Acting Secretary of Defense. (ex-Boeing Executive Patrick M. Shanahan)


Yet, what some may not know. Is there is considerable pressure in both the US Senate and US House that strongly oppose the deal. Which, includes the Democratic Controlled U.S. House Armed Services Committee. (Very Powerful) That has no love for either Donald Trump or Patrick Shanahan....


In short the odds are very much against the USAF ever getting a single F-15X. Especially, at the cost of $125 Million each vs $80-90 Million for the F-35A.
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 01:11

spazsinbad wrote:Highlights of the Department of the Navy FY 2020
Budget Office of Budget - 2019
PDF pp130

https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... s-Book.pdf (14Mb) ATTACHED 'PRN' [reprinted PDF] to reduce file size.



Honestly, the numbers mean little as the US House usually provide additional aircraft above what the services request. So, expect the final numbers for the F-35B's and F-35C's to increase. When all is said and done....
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 01:25

Corsair1963 wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:Highlights of the Department of the Navy FY 2020
Budget Office of Budget - 2019
PDF pp130

https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... s-Book.pdf (14Mb) ATTACHED 'PRN' [reprinted PDF] to reduce file size.



Honestly, the numbers mean little as the US House usually provide additional aircraft above what the services request. So, expect the final numbers for the F-35B's and F-35C's to increase. When all is said and done....


Why again is the USAF only procuring 48 F- 35A? Is there a engineering issue that they need to buy 8 F-15 instead of 8 to 10 more F-35?
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 01:42

crosshairs wrote:
Why again is the USAF only procuring 48 F- 35A? Is there a engineering issue that they need to buy 8 F-15 instead of 8 to 10 more F-35?


48 F-35A's is consistent with the last F-35 SAR so the AF is asking exactly what it said it would order for FY20, though the AF has reduced the total F-35A request over the FYDP by not ramping up to 50+ aircraft as it had previously planned (maintains the 48 a year request). That said, requesting a set amount is one thing getting what they request is all together another thing. It is quite likely that the enacted budget exceeds the USAF's request just like it did last year.

I see a scenario where Congress gives them 56 F-35A's and 8 F-15X's keeping both the camps happy for both FY20 and FY21 as this will be a two year deal so at least we will have a topline defined for next year.
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 01:44

crosshairs wrote:Why again is the USAF only procuring 48 F- 35A? Is there a engineering issue that they need to buy 8 F-15 instead of 8 to 10 more F-35?


That has been the plan until lot 14 which is the last LRIP before step up to full rate acquisition. The difference is the gap has narrowed because FRP has dropped from 80 to 60.

What is interesting is that Trump (whose budget is done in consultation (i.e. driven by) with DoD) is stepping up F-35C production in place of B. 169 C to lot 17 which catches up to 219 Bs. That will slow down USMC recapitalisation (and shift the USMC F-35C sqns up front in terms of replacement).
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