F-16 Block 72 offered to Bulgaria?

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Unread post19 Sep 2018, 19:54

SOFIA, Bulgaria (BulgarianMilitary.com), 19 September 2018,
Author: Boyko Nikolov

The U.S. concern and one of the biggest manufacturers of military equipment in the world – Lockheed Martin made its presentation on 18th September at Arena di Serdica Boutique Hotel in Sofia, and offered to the Bulgarian Government the purchase of the F-16 Block 72 fighter, known as Viper, learned BulgarianMilitary.com

The event was organized by the Atlantic Club of Bulgaria, the chairman of which is Dr. Solomon Passy and with the assistance of Mrs. Kalinka Kovacheva, who is a representative of Lockheed Martin for Bulgaria and Macedonia.

Source: https://bulgarianmilitary.com/f-16-bloc ... -bulgaria/
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Unread post20 Sep 2018, 21:49

Not very good idea, IMHO
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Unread post08 Oct 2018, 21:08

mmmm..., lo mejor de la noticia es que el F-16 cada vez mas esta lejos de dejar de producirse, y demuestra que el caza 4 generación esta cada vez mas cerca de sus rivales de 5ta generación, el block 70/72 es un 4++ neto.

mmmm.....the best news is that the F-16 is increasingly far from stop producing, and shows that the fighter 4 generations this time closer to their rivals of 5th generation, the block 70/72 is a net 4+ + .
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Unread post08 Oct 2018, 22:14

¿habla inglés?
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Unread post08 Oct 2018, 23:20

peacepuma wrote:mmmm..., lo mejor de la noticia es que el F-16 cada vez mas esta lejos de dejar de producirse, y demuestra que el caza 4 generación esta cada vez mas cerca de sus rivales de 5ta generación, el block 70/72 es un 4++ neto.

mmmm.....the best news is that the F-16 is increasingly far from stop producing, and shows that the fighter 4 generations this time closer to their rivals of 5th generation, the block 70/72 is a net 4+ + .


Perhaps instead of simply using Google translator to translate your original post in Castilian/Spanish you should actually try to make posts in English. A Translation from a Latin language to English usually has a "goofy" result.
Anyway, imagine if I posted in Portuguese (which is currently my first language) or a Chinese came here posting in Mandarin or people from Russia posting in Russian than imagine the mess that all these forums would become, eh?

Regarding from your post proper, NO the 4th generation fighter aircraft are not getting anywhere closer to 5th gen fighter aircraft in order to rival with them. For example a F-16 Block 70 (or a Super Hornet, or a Typhoon, or a Rafale, etc...) would be a rival of a F-35 the same way a P-51 would rival with a F-86 or a F-86 would rival with a F-104 Starfighter, or resuming they don't rival since there aren't a match in terms of overall capabilities since again, they are generations apart.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post09 Oct 2018, 22:38

I understand, but your claim is very hysterical..., and You're wrong, a fighter 4++ , can rival a fighter 5 Generation.
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Unread post09 Oct 2018, 23:20

You can try and pretty up a 4gen as much as you want but at the end of the day it's still a pig.

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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 00:25

LOL popcorn :mrgreen:

peacepuma wrote:I understand, but your claim is very hysterical..., and You're wrong, a fighter 4++ , can rival a fighter 5 Generation.


You can for sure feel free to believe in whatever you want. For all I care you can also believe in Santa Claus and his Leprechauns but this doesn't make such believes or claims as being facts/truth.

A gen 4+++++++++++ fighter (it doesn't matter how many pluses you put in front of the 4) has probably less chances in wining against a 5th gen fighter aircraft than a P-51 Mustang had in winning against a F-86 Sabre or a F-104 Starfighter had in winning against a F-4 Phantom (you see, different generations with always the newer one having the overwhelming advantage).
Everyone has their own (wet) dreams. Mine is winning the lottery, yours seems to be having a 4th gen fighter aircraft that has a similar/equal chance against a 5th gen fighter aircraft. Well at least my dream has the possibility of becoming real... :roll:
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 21:48

teh viper 4 +/++, generation armed with JHMS AAM Python IV AND V can defeat a hunting F-35
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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 23:08

peacepuma wrote:teh viper 4 +/++, generation armed with JHMS AAM Python IV AND V can defeat a hunting F-35

:lmao:
It doesn't matter if you keep adding pluses to F-16 or Su-27 or Rafale or Gripen or... it's still not fifth gen. (see popcorn's post above)
Even excluding signature reductions, there is no F-16 variant with comparable radar, IRST, ESM, comms and engines to the F-35. Good luck.
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Unread post10 Oct 2018, 23:15

Still gonna be a pig...and a rather tasty one..

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Unread post11 Oct 2018, 12:11

peacepuma wrote:teh viper 4 +/++, generation armed with JHMS AAM Python IV AND V can defeat a hunting F-35


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry I couldn't resist.

And of course santa's sleigh can defeat both the 4++++++++++++++++++++ fighter aircraft and a F-35 at the same time in a blink of an eye, LOL :doh:
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post11 Oct 2018, 12:12

popcorn wrote:Still gonna be a pig...and a rather tasty one..


LOL :mrgreen:
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post11 Oct 2018, 23:19

Little I argue .., we all know that a F-16 ++ with electronics similar to the F-35 and Python IV-V, it manages to defeat even F-35, both can give maneuvers 9G and -3G, f-35 is top, not invincible to the F-35
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Unread post12 Oct 2018, 13:37

The F-35 Can't Beat The Plane It's Replacing In A Dogfight: Report
Tyler Rogoway 6/29/15

We’ve heard of significant shortcomings before with the fighter jet that’s supposed to be America’s future, but this is just as bad as it gets. The F-35 performed so dismally in a dogfight, that the test pilot remarked that the it had pretty much no place fighting other aircraft within visual range.

And it’s even worse than a mere maneuverability issue. At one point, the pilot’s helmet was so big he couldn’t even turn his head inside the cockpit.

That’s according to a scathing report obtained by our friends over at War Is Boring that details the results of visual range air-to-air engagement tests between an F-35A and an F-16C. The F-35, which the US Air Force, Navy, and Marines are expected to rely upon, in addition to the air arms of militaries across the world for at least the next few decades, was supposed to be better than its F-16 predecessor in all respects.

The F-35’s ability to compete against other fighter aircraft in a close-in dogfight, even against the decades old designs it looks to replace, has always been a contentious issue. Long ago, the F-35’s maneuverability was planned to far exceed that of fourth generation fighters. Over time, those claims eroded to the point where the troubled stealth jet is described as being “about as maneuverable as an F-16.”

The fact that the F-35 can carry its weapons and fuel internally was of course the major deciding factor in being able to make such a claim.

Keep in mind, all of this is anecdotal, but testing reports over almost the last decade have supported the fact that the F-35 was not nearly as nimble as many would like it to be. Still, all claims regarding its performance against other fighters in a dogfight remained largely academic, with only bits of data to compare in a vacuum.

Which is why the candid report described in the War Is Boring article finally gives us a good first hand account as to how capable – or incapable as it may be – the F-35 is in the within-visual-range fight.

The test pilot flying the F-35 makes it very clear that the new jet, even in its ideal configuration without any external stores, was no match against a Block-40 F-16C in a less-than-ideal configuration with a pair of under-wing fuel tanks:

Read more: https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-f ... 1714712248
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