F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post15 May 2018, 21:11

How to 'WIN FRIENDS & INFLUENCE PEOPLE' by 'USN' - at least she is amused whilst the Frenchman behind - not so much.
https://www.dvidshub.net/image/4375734/ ... board-ghwb "ATLANTIC OCEAN, UNITED STATES 05.09.2018 Photo by Petty Officer 3rd Class Zachary Wickline USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) 180509-N-NG136-0008 ATLANTIC OCEAN (May 9, 2018) U.S. and French sailors line up on the flight deck for a foreign object debris (FOD) walk-down aboard the aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77). The ship is underway in the Atlantic Ocean conducting carrier air wing exercises with the French navy to strengthen partnerships and deepen interoperability between the two nations' naval forces. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Zachary P. Wickline)" https://www.dvidshub.net/download/image/4375734
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Unread post16 May 2018, 03:25

EhOh (TeleTubbies).
HAL offers 40 more Sukhois at one-third of Rafale's cost
15 May 2018 Ajai Shukla

"The Indian Air Force is paying Rs 11.25 billion per Rafale, excluding the price of weapons and logistics

With the Sukhoi-30MKI fighter — the backbone of the air force fleet — nearing the end of its production run, its manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), is taking up a case to build 40 more. If the defence ministry accepts HAL’s proposal, the inventory of the Russian fighter would be enhanced from the planned 272 to 312.

With HAL offering to price the additional Su-30s at just Rs 4.25 billion, the fighter will be barely one-third the cost of the Rafale. According to a Business Standard analysis, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is paying Rs 11.25 billion per Rafale, excluding the price of weapons and logistics.

HAL Chairman T Suvarna Raju said: “We will offer a very competitive price. Since 2010, we have been delivering the Su-30 at Rs 4.25 billion. We can deliver another three squadrons at that same price.” So, the IAF will pay Rs 170 billion for 40 additional Su-30s.

However, that would involve buying the fighters in ready-to-assemble kits from Russia and putting them together in Nashik. “HAL has already absorbed the technology for building and supporting the Su-30s. Now, the aim is to build those three new squadrons as quickly, and as cheaply, as possible,” said Raju....

...Ministry sources indicate a proposal to build more Su-30s would be considered positively, given the shortfall of IAF fighter squadrons. HAL is currently building the last 23 Su-30s of the 272 it was mandated to build. The IAF’s first 50 Su-30s were built in Russia.... [probably best read details at the source]

Source: http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 055_1.html

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Unread post16 May 2018, 03:59

At current exchange rates that's $165M for a Rafale vs. $63M for the Sukhoi.
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post16 May 2018, 08:58

The french government raises its offer of "broader partnership" to Belgium for the renewal of its fighter jets, a market of 34 aircraft, estimated at this point to some 3.6 billion euros. A delegation of the office of Florence Parly, the French Minister of the armed forces, made clear, detailed, and amplified, Tuesday, May 15, its offer to the Belgian defence to replace its current American F-16.


The project stresses the need to take into account the development of the Europe of defence, within the framework of the future combat system, a Franco-German project placed under the leadership of Paris but which could be extended to the Belgium.


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http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/ ... saWLgq8.99

I am not sure if I understand this -- they are suggesting Belgium should buy Rafale and then join the development of the new French/German 5. gen fighter!?

AFAIK the new French/German fighter should be introduced around 2035 or so -- if this is correct, and if Belgium start introducing their new fighters around 2025, there is just a 10-year gap.

A more attractive deal would have been if France suggested leasing 34 Rafale to Belgium from 2025 to 2035, followed by introduction of the new 5. gen fighter from 2035 or so. France will in any case fly their Rafale for a long time to come.
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Unread post16 May 2018, 10:36

:doh: 'They' say a night deck landing is TERRIFYING so I'm beginning to think they EXAGGERATE (but NO I know better). :devil:
CNO: U.S./French Integrated Air Wing Helping Develop ‘One Larger Team’ to Tackle Maritime Operations
15 May 2018 Megan Eckstein

"...The U.S. and French navies are no strangers to one another: they participate in naval exercises together, student aviators learn to fly together at U.S. Navy flight schools, and rising leaders learn together at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif. – where Prazuck [Chief of Staff of the French Navy Adm. Christophe Prazuck] was once a student as well.

Still, the level of coordination between the two navies at the tactical level has never been as great as it is now, in a month-and-a-half-long exchange aboard Bush. After working out some differences in procedure and policy between the two navies, Cmdr. Patrick Baker, executive officer of Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 213, told reporters that his F/A-18F Super Hornet squadron had seen “almost seamless operations with the French Rafales and Hawkeyes onboard. … One of the things I’ve taken away from this is, if there ever is an opportunity or a situation that develops, the French do bring a unique, complementary capability to a U.S. carrier air wing that could definitely assist us in strengthening our regional and our maritime capability.”

“We have the same mission set, so the tactics may be slightly different, but as far as the overall mission it’s very similar,” he said. Most importantly, though, he said the two sets of crews were part of an exclusive brotherhood and sisterhood of naval aviators.

“Some things are the same, some things are different, and we all have the common experience of the terrifying night trap (landing) when the weather is bad, trying to find the boat, pitching deck – we all have that common experience we can share,” Baker said....

...Asked if there was a follow-on project for the U.S. and French navies to tackle to build on the interoperability they’re achieving during this exercise Chesapeake 2018, Richardson [Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson] said, “what I want to do actually is get out of the ‘project’ phase of our relationship and move into a more habitual interactive phase where it’s much more easy to stitch things together and we’re operating together kind of as a matter of habit. … Rather than these big events, we can think of high-end exercises as an event, but in between these continuing to work at sort of a lower level of activity, but still very meaningful.”"

Source: https://news.usni.org/2018/05/15/cno-u- ... operations
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Unread post17 May 2018, 15:02

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Unread post18 May 2018, 14:39

popcorn wrote:At current exchange rates that's $165M for a Rafale vs. $63M for the Sukhoi.


Wow! Almost 3x's the $ for a Rafale?

I guess if India has ordered the Rafale, they're getting 3x's the capability of the SU-30MKI? Suppose it depends on how you define capability. I can see that though, especially if they're considering using it for ISR/air to ground...
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Unread post19 May 2018, 12:29

mixelflick wrote:
popcorn wrote:At current exchange rates that's $165M for a Rafale vs. $63M for the Sukhoi.


Wow! Almost 3x's the $ for a Rafale?

I guess if India has ordered the Rafale, they're getting 3x's the capability of the SU-30MKI? Suppose it depends on how you define capability. I can see that though, especially if they're considering using it for ISR/air to ground...


Well the new F-15I would cost Israel roughly the same price.

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So it seems nothing spezial, for a top notch 4 gen Fighter.
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Unread post04 Jun 2018, 18:17

USNI News Video: U.S. Navy, French Aviators Train for Middle East Deployments
03 Jun 2018 Ben Werner

"U.S. and French fighter pilots have spent nearly two months training alongside each other, exchanging tactics and comparing notes on what their Dassault Rafale and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet jets can accomplish....

...“The Rafale is a rocket,” Lt. Brandon Rodgers from the Golden Warriors of Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 87 War Party said while speaking with the media aboard Bush.

In general, the Rafale and Super Hornet have about the same maneuverability, Rodgers said. While flying training missions and practicing engagements, Rodgers said the difference has really come down to which pilots know how to handle their aircraft best.

The Rafale is a lighter airframe but doesn’t carry the same type of armament as the Super Hornet. Still, when not fully loaded, Rodgers said the Rafale can pull some moves outside of the Super Hornet’s capabilities.

“When the Rafale is light, when nothing’s on it, it can pretty much stand on its tail and go straight up,” Rodgers said. “When you’re on the deck and watch them go straight up, you’re like, alright, I guess I can’t do that with you. It’s pretty cool.”"



Source: https://news.usni.org/2018/06/03/rafale ... per-hornet

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Unread post04 Jun 2018, 23:20

Point is the Super Hornet and Rafale never go into combat clean.... :?
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