Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post07 Dec 2017, 22:47

Xandercrews

They're (these types of posters) intentional BS'ers.

The BS'ers tool box of C's: Clouding, cheating, confusing, cluttering, confounding, concealing, circumventing and complicating.
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Unread post07 Dec 2017, 22:50

arrow-nautics wrote:Xandercrews

They're (these types of posters) intentional BS'ers.

The BS'ers tool box of C's: Clouding, cheating, confusing, cluttering, confounding, concealing, circumventing and complicating.



Thats a good description.

I don't know what the "rules" are in Canada, but claiming to be military when you are not, At least in the US is highly "frowned upon". Even when its just lies on the internet to advance an agenda.
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Unread post07 Dec 2017, 22:51

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arrow-nautics wrote:BTW/FYI to all: On all the forums I belong to that are RCAF or CF-18 fan related the F-35 detractors are freaking out. Plus their sounding even more ridiculous than ever. It stagger me how dumb this all is. And now we are out the point where the loony detractors will be outed. I'm growing tired of slamming the F-35 based on 2012 information & myths that have been totally busted.

Check this rant out:

I worked 30 years in CF and 20 on Hornet, your CF -35 will never be able to fly in any norths stations...The SH was a really good flying platform and it made 100 times better in wet and cold Canada....Your F-35 is a game fighter, i saw a lot of F-22 problems and F-35 is too advance and too much hi tech for what CANADA need.we just need a launch platforms for missiles and bombs, thats the way war going with our “big brother” and we will have more problems if we not try to reconnect with US.....


He "saw" a lot of F-22/F-35 problems? Wow, the RCAF do a lot more than I thought :doh:



Amazing how them dumb Norwegians and Americans can figure out how to make F-35s work in a cold climate. :roll:



Too high-tech for the northern simpletons, got it.

I'm more amazed he was in the RCAF for 30 years and avoided working with and coordinating with the evil Yankees.

How'd he pull that off? Fantasy
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Unread post07 Dec 2017, 22:59

Here's one. We hear over and over that 1 engines are bad in the north. You know "there goes the neighbourhood" when your having a jet argument with a fool and you actually post this as a "DUH" moment. RNoAF F-16s? Gripen? AK F-16s?

We all joke about the "earth is flat" people are out to lunch but when you're posting something to educate someone on latitude you know you're in Romper Room
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Unread post07 Dec 2017, 23:05

I won't say who he is. It's on FB so that'd be bad etiquette. He has credentials but has also worked at many other jobs in various field non-military. I suspect he has worked for DND but is hyper inflating his experience

His rant screams of it.
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 05:15

By the time the cannibalizing is complete with the SLEP on the CF-18s & the Aussie F/A-18A/B/C's we should have about 88 aircraft by 2025.
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 06:33

Keep praying for global warming, A northern passage and some more arable land won't hurt. The odds of Canada going through with the buy of Aussie hornets is 50/50 in my book. They won't run 88 platforms, that is a certainty. They will maintain numbers that can easily transfer to the f-35 buy of some 60 odd planes. (Should be 72, but that's a dream)
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 12:00

ALL BOINGS! are BASTARDS!
Opinion: Enough With the Hypocrisy, Boeing
08 Dec 217 Anthony L Velocci, Jr.

"...Sharply critical of Boeing and the Commerce Department has been the European Union, perhaps paving the way for action by the World Trade Organization. Even Delta, a Boeing customer, harshly disputed the complaint’s validity, accusing Boeing of “pure hypocrisy” and trying to “manipulate U.S. trade laws.” British Prime Minister Theresa May denounced Boeing’s actions, and Canada has canceled plans to buy new F/A-18E/F aircraft from Boeing and instead purchase F/A-18A/Bs from Australia...."

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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 13:03

I worked 30 years in CF and 20 on Hornet, your CF -35 will never be able to fly in any norths stations...The SH was a really good flying platform and it made 100 times better in wet and cold Canada....Your F-35 is a game fighter, i saw a lot of F-22 problems and F-35 is too advance and too much hi tech for what CANADA need.we just need a launch platforms for missiles and bombs, thats the way war going with our “big brother” and we will have more problems if we not try to reconnect with US.....




If he worked on Hornets for 20 years ask him what ‘1,2,3 to B and 4 to A’ refers to, or which wheel well the APU accumulator handle is located. Should sort him out quickly, unless of course he was a blunt.
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 13:59

XanderCrews wrote:Too high-tech for the northern simpletons, got it.

I'm more amazed he was in the RCAF for 30 years and avoided working with and coordinating with the evil Yankees.

How'd he pull that off? Fantasy


LOL. I'm sure CF-18 was considered low-tech when introduced in early 1980s... :roll:

I love this notion that some systems are too high-tech when in reality new systems are often easier to operate and maintain and are more reliable. Especially so when it comes to high-tech stuff like computers, sensors and engines. All pretty important in fighter aircraft
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 14:48

spazsinbad wrote:ALL BOINGS! are BASTARDS!
Opinion: Enough With the Hypocrisy, Boeing
08 Dec 217 Anthony L Velocci, Jr.

"...Sharply critical of Boeing and the Commerce Department has been the European Union, perhaps paving the way for action by the World Trade Organization. Even Delta, a Boeing customer, harshly disputed the complaint’s validity, accusing Boeing of “pure hypocrisy” and trying to “manipulate U.S. trade laws.” British Prime Minister Theresa May denounced Boeing’s actions, and Canada has canceled plans to buy new F/A-18E/F aircraft from Boeing and instead purchase F/A-18A/Bs from Australia...."

Source: http://aviationweek.com/new-civil-aircr ... isy-boeing


So they're trading in their F-18C's for F-18A/B's? WTF are these people smoking??

What's next, Canadian big hair and reebok hi top sneakers??
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 16:18

optimist wrote:Keep praying for global warming, A northern passage and some more arable land won't hurt. The odds of Canada going through with the buy of Aussie hornets is 50/50 in my book. They won't run 88 platforms, that is a certainty. They will maintain numbers that can easily transfer to the f-35 buy of some 60 odd planes. (Should be 72, but that's a dream)



Agreed.

Aussie hornets aren't going to be leaving for a few years yet.

It's begs the question of why need a middle man? If Aussie hornets are good enough to be replaced by F-35s, why aren't Canadian hornets?
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 17:26

mixelflick wrote:So they're trading in their F-18C's for F-18A/B's? WTF are these people smoking??

What's next, Canadian big hair and reebok hi top sneakers??


No, they aren't trading in anything, they are seeking to acquire more decrepit jets under the suspect assumption that it will improve their fleet readiness/availability problems. Presumably, the will cannibalize them for spare parts as well. The current CF-18's are not C models either. They are heavily upgraded A/B's close to a C standard.
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 17:28

I worked 30 years in CF and 20 on Hornet, your CF -35 will never be able to fly in any norths stations...The SH was a really good flying platform and it made 100 times better in wet and cold Canada....Your F-35 is a game fighter, i saw a lot of F-22 problems and F-35 is too advance and too much hi tech for what CANADA need.we just need a launch platforms for missiles and bombs, thats the way war going with our “big brother” and we will have more problems if we not try to reconnect with US.....


I've worked over 10 so far on the Hornet and it's starting to fall apart. Fuel leaks galore, cracked fuel lines inside wings, generators that can't keep up with all the fancy new avionic upgrades and now large structural cracking at engine mounting points. It doesn't matter what platform we operate, it'll only fly in whatever weather is operationally safe. There is some bullshit notion that the CF18 is able to land on a dime on a snow covered runway. It's a POS in cold and wet weather and nothing seems to work. We frequently send over half the fleet to go down to Miramar or Key West in the winter months - to actually get flying hours.
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 18:01

:devil: So the CanaDUCKs fly south for the winter. :doh:
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