Japan unveils first stealth fighter

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Unread post11 May 2016, 22:05

Corsair1963 wrote:For example what engines would power the F-3???


There is a separate, parallel effort underway to develop the engine:
http://m.aviationweek.com/awindefense/j ... ter-engine

If you have access to the article, and read through it, it appears that the Japanese are attempting to recreate the F119. Same stage count, similar OPR, similar thrust class.
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Unread post12 May 2016, 10:10

tmofarrvl wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:For example what engines would power the F-3???


There is a separate, parallel effort underway to develop the engine:
http://m.aviationweek.com/awindefense/j ... ter-engine

If you have access to the article, and read through it, it appears that the Japanese are attempting to recreate the F119. Same stage count, similar OPR, similar thrust class.


Would take a good decade or two for Japan to develop such an engine. Plus, like the F-3 where would Japan get the massive funding for it....... :shock:
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Unread post31 May 2016, 00:23

The best thing that could happen for Japan at this point would be for the F-22 to go back into production and for Congress to lift the ban on selling it abroad. That seems to be one angle Congress is looking at when they recently started the effort to look into the feasibility of restarting the F-22 line. By allowing countries like Japan, Australia, Israel and perhaps South Korea to purchase these aircraft (and contribute to the cost to restart production), it would make it much cheaper for the U.S. to purchase additional F-22s. It would also be a bargain for such foreign partners as well, as even sharing in the development costs would be far less expensive than trying to build a high end, indigenous 5th Generation design from scratch.
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Unread post31 May 2016, 07:02

Fox1 wrote:The best thing that could happen for Japan at this point would be for the F-22 to go back into production and for Congress to lift the ban on selling it abroad. That seems to be one angle Congress is looking at when they recently started the effort to look into the feasibility of restarting the F-22 line. By allowing countries like Japan, Australia, Israel and perhaps South Korea to purchase these aircraft (and contribute to the cost to restart production), it would make it much cheaper for the U.S. to purchase additional F-22s. It would also be a bargain for such foreign partners as well, as even sharing in the development costs would be far less expensive than trying to build a high end, indigenous 5th Generation design from scratch.


You need to cut back on the Medication as it will be your undoing! First, there is no plan to put the F-22 back into production for nations like Japan, Australia, or whoever! To believe otherwise is pure Fantasy! Besides all of the aforementioned countries have all already committed to the F-35.

As for the best option for Japan. The current plan likely fits the bill.....Which, is to build F-35's under license and develop the ATD-X as a "Demonstrator". Then to take the technology gained from the latter and incorporate it into a future 6th Generation Fighter. Likely with a partner like the US.
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Unread post31 May 2016, 08:37

Corsair1963 wrote:
Fox1 wrote:The best thing that could happen for Japan at this point would be for the F-22 to go back into production and for Congress to lift the ban on selling it abroad. That seems to be one angle Congress is looking at when they recently started the effort to look into the feasibility of restarting the F-22 line. By allowing countries like Japan, Australia, Israel and perhaps South Korea to purchase these aircraft (and contribute to the cost to restart production), it would make it much cheaper for the U.S. to purchase additional F-22s. It would also be a bargain for such foreign partners as well, as even sharing in the development costs would be far less expensive than trying to build a high end, indigenous 5th Generation design from scratch.


You need to cut back on the Medication as it will be your undoing! First, there is no plan to put the F-22 back into production for nations like Japan, Australia, or whoever! To believe otherwise is pure Fantasy! Besides all of the aforementioned countries have all already committed to the F-35.

As for the best option for Japan. The current plan likely fits the bill.....Which, is to build F-35's under license and develop the ATD-X as a "Demonstrator". Then to take the technology gained from the latter and incorporate it into a future 6th Generation Fighter. Likely with a partner like the US.


Why are you trying to insult me? I haven't done anything to you. Nor have I said anything that isn't being discussed openly at much higher levels.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/21/politics/f22-raptor-congress/

So there Mr. Smarty Pants. Go tell the House Armed Services Committee to up their medication. They are the ones directing the air force to study the feasibility of bringing the F-22 back into production, along with the possibility of foreign sales and investment. That isn't to say it is definitely going to happen. But influential people are certainly looking in that direction. Even outgoing Air Force Chief of Staff (General Mark Welsh) is saying restarting F-22 production is not a "wild idea" and that they are looking at it closely. A wild idea would be somewhat akin to fantasy, would it not?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-warms-to-f-22-raptor-revival-proposal-425794/

There is too much smoke here for there not to be some fire. When you combine the talk coming from Congress and the Air Force leadership, it quickly becomes apparent this is a very real possibility. Add in the fact that the Air Force has been recently placing 6th Generation ambitions on the back burner and it only adds fuel to the flame. I think it is becoming apparent that we are just now only beginning to scratch the surface of 5th Generation technologies and capabilities. True 6th Generation technologies are decades away and totally out of reach. Those who think we can have a 6th Generation fighter program in development any time soon are the ones stuck in fantasy land. An upgraded F-22 will keep us well ahead of any potential enemies far into the future, by which time hopefully 6th Generation technology can be successfully developed. And no matter how expensive restarting the F-22 line might be, it will be only a small fraction of the cost of trying to develop 6th Generation vaporware from scratch when even 5th Gen technology hasn't become fully mature to date.
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Unread post31 May 2016, 09:11

The only people who are talking about this aren't actually doing anything about it.

General Welsh is on his way out the door. On July 1st, nothing he says counts for anything in the Air Force. Do you think they can ramp up F-22 production by June 30th?

If the House Armed Services Committee was really serious about foreign sales, they wouldn't talk to the Air Force. The Air Force can't do a d*** thing about it. Oh, you know who could? Members of the House Armed Services Committee who have never bothered to offer legislation up on the House floor to overturn the Obey Amendment.

As far as foreign sales go, the HASC might as well be asking the Air Force if they can fart rainbows.
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Unread post28 Mar 2017, 16:56

Japan and UK to Collaborate on Advanced Stealth Fighter Jet

Japan’s Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics Agency and the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defense have concluded an agreement to explore options for co-developing an advanced fighter jet, according to a March 16 press release by the Japanese Ministry of Defense.

The agreement stipulates that both countries will exchange information about advanced aviation technology and also conduct a joint study on the feasibility of co-developing a new fighter aircraft in the coming years.

The press release further notes that Japan will continue to explore fighter jet co-development options with other countries. “Regarding the possibility of international joint development on fighter aircraft in the future, we will continue to exchange views with other countries,” the MoD statement reads...

http://thediplomat.com/2017/03/japan-an ... ghter-jet/
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Unread post28 Mar 2017, 18:55

zerion wrote:Japan and UK to Collaborate on Advanced Stealth Fighter Jet

Japan’s Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics Agency and the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defense have concluded an agreement to explore options for co-developing an advanced fighter jet, according to a March 16 press release by the Japanese Ministry of Defense.

The agreement stipulates that both countries will exchange information about advanced aviation technology and also conduct a joint study on the feasibility of co-developing a new fighter aircraft in the coming years.

The press release further notes that Japan will continue to explore fighter jet co-development options with other countries. “Regarding the possibility of international joint development on fighter aircraft in the future, we will continue to exchange views with other countries,” the MoD statement reads...

http://thediplomat.com/2017/03/japan-an ... ghter-jet/

Well that's bigger news than I expected. :mrgreen:


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Unread post29 Mar 2017, 05:43

zerion wrote:Japan and UK to Collaborate on Advanced Stealth Fighter Jet

Japan’s Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics Agency and the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defense have concluded an agreement to explore options for co-developing an advanced fighter jet, according to a March 16 press release by the Japanese Ministry of Defense.

The agreement stipulates that both countries will exchange information about advanced aviation technology and also conduct a joint study on the feasibility of co-developing a new fighter aircraft in the coming years.

The press release further notes that Japan will continue to explore fighter jet co-development options with other countries. “Regarding the possibility of international joint development on fighter aircraft in the future, we will continue to exchange views with other countries,” the MoD statement reads...

http://thediplomat.com/2017/03/japan-an ... ghter-jet/


Just talk nothing more nothing less..... :|
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Unread post29 Mar 2017, 08:30

zerion wrote:Japan and UK to Collaborate on Advanced Stealth Fighter Jet

Japan’s Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics Agency and the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defense have concluded an agreement to explore options for co-developing an advanced fighter jet, according to a March 16 press release by the Japanese Ministry of Defense.

The agreement stipulates that both countries will exchange information about advanced aviation technology and also conduct a joint study on the feasibility of co-developing a new fighter aircraft in the coming years.

The press release further notes that Japan will continue to explore fighter jet co-development options with other countries. “Regarding the possibility of international joint development on fighter aircraft in the future, we will continue to exchange views with other countries,” the MoD statement reads...

http://thediplomat.com/2017/03/japan-an ... ghter-jet/


Interesting, though yeah, so far it's just talk :? In the short term the JNAAM project also looks promising. Marrying an evolved AAM-4 AESA seeker with the METEOR body and fitting it all in the F-35 weapons bay seems good, if they get the costs under control. Especially for future arsenal-planes and such: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/details ... an-emerge/
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Unread post29 Mar 2017, 13:12

gideonic wrote:
Interesting, though yeah, so far it's just talk :? In the short term the JNAAM project also looks promising. Marrying an evolved AAM-4 AESA seeker with the METEOR body and fitting it all in the F-35 weapons bay seems good, if they get the costs under control. Especially for future arsenal-planes and such: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/details ... an-emerge/

Seems to be quite a defence relationship building up. The F-35 is all well and good but it'd be nice to build some indigenous stealth technology as well.
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Unread post19 May 2017, 21:33

Apart from ATD-X/X-2 program, Japan was already conducting researches for their future fighter development since the 2012 regarding the next gen fighter, probably a top notch 5th gen aside f-35 if it really does realize. (Which I see a lot of doubts about it)

Important thing is, these R&D programs are all independent from X-2 and has different budgetary outline, timeline and plans. Ofc, X-2 along with P-1 or C-2 is an outstanding test-bed for the results which will show up when the next gen fighter tech R&D program ends in 2019.

Anyways, the R&D compartments are :

f-3 1..png


f-3 2..png

the engine and the TVC

which they aim to develop an operational product till 2030 with thrust of 15 tons, with a diameter of 1m.
Japan got tech transfers for F110-PW-129 in exchange for the composite integral wing and fighter AESA technology. They also claim that their XF5 developed by 1998 was already above the level of F110-GE-129 or F-100-PW-220.(u knw, they r quite old) It would be a great challenge but I don't find it to be impossible.

f-3 3..png

the radar

f-3 21.jpg


this thing will work -ofc- as a sensor and a ecm antenna, but also as an esm and communications antenna. Thus its going to be broadband, covering bandwidths from C band to Ku band

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Unread post30 Nov 2017, 01:50

Long article about X-2 testing best read there.

Japan Refines Design For Indigenous Future Fighter

http://aviationweek.com/defense/japan-r ... re-fighter
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Unread post30 Nov 2017, 04:12

I wish some would get over the fact that the X-2 (formerly ATD-X) is not the F-3 and never will be..... :doh:


Honestly, don't understand what's so hard to understand. :bang: The X-2 is a "Demonstrator" and any technologies gained from the program. Maybe incorporated into a future 6th Generation Fighter. Which, likely will include a partner or partners!

Japan already has a 5th Generation Stealth Fighter. It's called the F-35A and it's being built by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in Nagoya, Japan. :wink:
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Unread post30 Nov 2017, 06:22

Corsair1963 wrote:.... "Demonstrator" and any technologies gained from the program. Maybe incorporated into a future 6th Generation Fighter. .. :wink:


....and many other nations industries will wish to be included in the 6th Gen, as well (ala F-35). Perhaps the Japanese will develop a 500 lb. GE J-85 (A-37) "parody"!
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