
gbigly wrote:Lawman wrote:Remind him the the F-14 is limited to 6.5 G Maximum because of airframe fatigue and stress concerns. Compaired to the F-22's 9.
Tell him that IRST that would be used to "track" and F-22 only gives you elevation and bearing not range. You need range to conduct an intercept otherwise your just gonna head towards the spot till you have him visual, not a good idea to take an Turkey into a merge with a Raptor. Also the effective range of IRST is way way way lower then even the most basic radar and its not subtible for use in weather.
The Raptor has a higher Sustained and Instinatious turn radius. The Raptor has a much higher thrust to weight ratio allowing it to regain energy far faster then an F-14.
And finally remind him that it takes between 40 and 50 hours to get one F-14 off the ground for one hour of flight time.
Stress fatigue is due to old age, not plane design you doofus. The f-14 pilots would turn 9gs constantly in the f-14 on newer blocks. "But blah blah it can't sustain". Well actually that's not true, during a fly off an F-14A that's A model mind you, one of the first batches of F-14s as well.. had a fly off against an F-15A eagle to see which plane the Shah of Iran wanted to buy. The f-15A was limited to 7.5gs because of it's frame design, whereas even the f-14A was able to pull off 8.5gs and SUSTAIN it while ACCELERATING through the turn - book: Gillcrist, "Tomcat! The grumman f-14 story". Surely, they had burned the fuel down for the A's crappy tf-30 engines to pull it off. But even then I believe the tomcat was still heavier than the eagle with around half it's fuel loaded. This is primarily due to the tomcat's lower wing loading and stronger frame (for carrier suitability). Also, if a plane can turn 9gs all over the place, then it by default can sustain it provided you have enough engine thrust, which the f-110 engiens in the b and D models certainly had.
Tom Cruise here talks about turning 9.5gs in the backseat of an F-14A during Top Gun filming. https://youtu.be/l36BVi8K1uo?t=3m46s
Here is also a video of what looks like an ACTUAL F-14D with it's counter set at "9.1gs" under "current g" indicator during what looks like a training mission.
https://youtu.be/u9IK0QaoBlM?t=11m57s
No plane would be allowed to turn that high instantaneously if it could not structurally sustain it. All that would require you to sustain such high gs, is... AGAIN... enough ENGINE THRUST. The f-4 phantom could probably turn up to 8gs instantaneously but engine power wise only 6.5 - 7gs of sustained turning, for reference. Structural limitations of the f-4 phantom would not allow you to instantaneously turn any higher. So this whole "but it can't sustain it because it isn't built strong enough" bullshit is just that - bullshit.
The IRST on the tomcat can be linked to radar to feed the radar information of where the target is. The IRST can "lock" on a target when paired with the APG-71 radar otherwise it's completely useless in a fighter jet. More than likely the tomcat will get a lock on the raptor before the raptor will be able to get it's amraams in range of the tomcat. One thing the f-22 raptor does have over the tomcat however, is it's ECM capabilities to jam. Certainly though, when the raptor pilot turns that system on, it is also difficult for him to track the tomcat as well because of what it does to the f-22's radar locking.
The tomcat's wings can sweep out to 20 degrees, almost straight out, with 0 degrees being perfectly straight for comparison of course. It's wing loading is much lower than that of the raptor, but it's wing area is really the deal breaker. The tomcat when it's wings are in maximum turning mode will out turn even an f-16. That goes for maneuverability. The f-14 wins.
Also, the eagle is a superior turner compared to the f-22 raptor. The raptor turns sluggish and in a dogfight the F-15 EAGLE will whip the sh*t out of it.
Kill yourself.
I've reported his posts already, hopefully he can be banned quickly and return to his echo chamber
Spoilers ahead:
I am an F-14 fan. It's my favorite since 4 years old. However:
Aim 54 was retired by 2004. It was redundant and obsolete.
F-14 was built as a fleet defender. It's not a dogfighter
I know eagle guys who loved dogfighting tomcat's because the swing wings give away the tomcats energy state. Basically telegraphing every move. They also loved it's huge size that made it impossible to miss with the gun. "Size of a tennis court I couldn't miss"
The F-22 is superior to the F-15 vastly superior. And the F-15 could handle the Tomcat unless the Tom had a great driver.
F-22s are not black.
The tomcat is the best of 1960s tech. The F-22 is decades newer and from a more advanced era.
It's fun comparing 8 tracks to MP3s I guess
I've read the books you are referencing, and Gilchrist for example has been discredited a few times. He worked for NG and likeD to exagerate