Turkish fighter jet (F-16) crashes after training flight

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Unread post15 Dec 2016, 09:47

UPDATE:

Plane is from 181 filo (Pars)- Panther
PKK Claims shootdown

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PKK claims shootdown of Turkish F16
http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/b5b1 ... urkish-F16

ERBIL, Kurdistan Region (Kurdistan24) - Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) claimed on Wednesday to have shot down the Turkish F16 warplane that crashed near the Kurdish city of Diyarbakir two days ago.

In a statement on its website, the PKK's armed wing People's Defence Forces (HPG) said one of its militant teams targeted the jet taking off from Turkish Air Force's 8th Main Jet Base at the Diyarbakir Airport around 19:30 on December 12.

Warplanes used for daily bombing runs on Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) targets in mountainous areas usually take off from the same airport also used for civilian purposes.

"The operation was conducted with the use of special methods," read the statement without elaborating further how the PKK which fights Turkey in a four decades-long warfare for Kurdish rights.

It said the shootdown of the jet was in response to "bombings in the mountains of Kurdistan" and accused the Turkish ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) and the media of "twisting" facts.

The jet crashed some 2 miles from the airport's runway, according to a press release by the Turkish General Staff published hours after the incident.

The army also added the cause was still unknown, as the pilot flying the aircraft who survived the crash with no wounds by ejecting himself from the cockpit was on a training mission.

Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus told reporters in an Ankara press conference on Wednesday that the incident was under investigation to determine whether it was caused by a technical failure or "external factor."


If confirmed this is going to strain US-Turkey relations a lot.
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Unread post15 Dec 2016, 18:19

airforces_freak wrote:If confirmed this is going to strain US-Turkey relations a lot.


Is this your personal opinion, or from those known circles around TuAF ?
Well..., nothing will happen, simple as that...
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Unread post15 Dec 2016, 23:01

geokav wrote:
airforces_freak wrote:If confirmed this is going to strain US-Turkey relations a lot.


Is this your personal opinion, or from those known circles around TuAF ?
Well..., nothing will happen, simple as that...


Turkish Government officials.

A lot can happen actually.

Firstly there will be internal pressure to abandon the West and join the Eastern bloc if it is confirmed US Supplied weapons were used in this attack. Turkey warned the US congress that ISIS has no airforce and as such there was no need to arm the SDF/YPG with MANPADS. It would merely be used by PKK forces against Turkey. And it seems as though this has occurred.

Turkey can arm Turkish backed Rebels in Syria in reply with Turkish MANPADS or even anti-aircraft weapons which would be a great threat to all aircraft in the area.

Turkey can also increase its support to Russia.
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Unread post15 Dec 2016, 23:57

airforces_freak wrote:Turkish Government officials.
A lot can happen actually.
Firstly there will be internal pressure to abandon the West and join the Eastern bloc if it is confirmed US Supplied weapons were used in this attack. Turkey warned the US congress that ISIS has no airforce and as such there was no need to arm the SDF/YPG with MANPADS. It would merely be used by PKK forces against Turkey. And it seems as though this has occurred.

Turkey can arm Turkish backed Rebels in Syria in reply with Turkish MANPADS or even anti-aircraft weapons which would be a great threat to all aircraft in the area.

Turkey can also increase its support to Russia.


I assume that joining east again, is like going back home...

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Unread post16 Dec 2016, 06:21

geokav wrote:
airforces_freak wrote:Turkish Government officials.
A lot can happen actually.
Firstly there will be internal pressure to abandon the West and join the Eastern bloc if it is confirmed US Supplied weapons were used in this attack. Turkey warned the US congress that ISIS has no airforce and as such there was no need to arm the SDF/YPG with MANPADS. It would merely be used by PKK forces against Turkey. And it seems as though this has occurred.

Turkey can arm Turkish backed Rebels in Syria in reply with Turkish MANPADS or even anti-aircraft weapons which would be a great threat to all aircraft in the area.

Turkey can also increase its support to Russia.


I assume that joining east again, is like going back home...

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Message received.

You only assume? It's a fact. It would take Turkey back at least 50 years to when Truman fought for Turkey and Greece joining the North Atlantic Treaty Alliance.

BUT how long should the Turks bend over when their ally is not acting like an ally? We can look at it from Washington's eyes as much as we like but we also need to look at the Turkish perspective. Turkish citizens are being butchered by Western arms and their aircraft are being downed by Western made MANPAD, as punishment for seeking to prevent the partitioning of their former imperial possessions (Iraq and Syria)...which is evoking some really bad memories for the Turks (WWI partitioning of the Ottoman Empire). The Turks are so paranoid that they think the US is making plans to invade and partition their country. Paranoia can lead to radical and erratic behavior.

Mr. Putin is merely seizing the opportunity. And if you think that Mr. Putin will stop at Turkey you are grossly mistaken! If the US does not get its act together, stop the post-election tension at home and focus on its foreign policy it is set to loose a lot more allies to Mr. Putin.
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Unread post16 Dec 2016, 21:21

So it is not clear what really happened but it must be a MANPAD that was made and supplied by the USA?

Like there is no, like none, possibility that IF a MANPAD was used that it could have been Iranian, Chinese, European or Russian made and supplied by something else than the USA?

Like, there has never been a delivery of Iranian made MANPADs to Yemen and Iraq for example? Or Chinese made MANPADs that were supplied to Syria by Sudan?

And all those MANPADS that were never delivered to Syria and Iraq never changed hands of course... All just honest freedom warriors...

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Unread post17 Dec 2016, 15:27

If I drive my Mercedes car into some innocent people? => Is Germany at fault? (Germany build the Mercedes car.)
The maker of the weapon is not important. The seller or retailer is not at fault.

The guy behind the trigger did it.

Tja, this happens when you fight your own people.
Disarm EVERYBODY in Turkey, and the fight will continue with sand and stones, and wooden planks.

PS : The same goes for Syria, North Irak, Iran, everywhere when government does not listen to their population.
You can soon add Congo to that list.

Listen to your people, and the fights stop automatically.
Pretty simple actually.
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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 01:39

airforces_freak wrote:bla bla

So you say that Turkey is too weak to acknowledge it could have been something else but a manpad? And even though Turkey is not sure what happened it was a manpad that was made and provided by the USA?

Man, you are easy prey to whatever politics is at play. Are you sure you are blind to this?
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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 11:21

vilters wrote:If I drive my Mercedes car into some innocent people? => Is Germany at fault? (Germany build the Mercedes car.)
The maker of the weapon is not important. The seller or retailer is not at fault.

The guy behind the trigger did it.

Tja, this happens when you fight your own people.
Disarm EVERYBODY in Turkey, and the fight will continue with sand and stones, and wooden planks.

PS : The same goes for Syria, North Irak, Iran, everywhere when government does not listen to their population.
You can soon add Congo to that list.

Listen to your people, and the fights stop automatically.
Pretty simple actually.
You only need your ears.


Have you heard of micro-dotting and nuclear tracing? Well the Turks have been using the aforementioned to track weapons transfers to the PKK for the past 5 years. They also have Human Intelligence to also back up their position up.

Western weapons destined to the YPG/SDF somehow end up in PKK hands. Now even if this does not evidence the Wests intention to arm a terrorist group it shows that the Western States are grossly negligent. Congress blocks the sale of 12.5mm ammunition to Turkey yet a terrorist group miraculously can procure TOW ATGM's.
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Unread post27 Dec 2016, 13:29

Not a crash this time, but a video released by the Hellenic Air Force on Friday shows intense dogfight between Greek and Turkish F-16 jets. The dogfight is believed to have taken place over Greece’s Karpathos island.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiHHc6EXhPE

A lot of turkish planes have violated Greece airspace lately, or should we say at all times.
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Unread post28 Dec 2016, 19:25

pron wrote:Not a crash this time, but a video released by the Hellenic Air Force on Friday shows intense dogfight between Greek and Turkish F-16 jets. The dogfight is believed to have taken place over Greece’s Karpathos island.

<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiHHc6EXhPE</span>

A lot of turkish planes have violated Greece airspace lately, or should we say at all times.

Yes, we all know that, but what this has to do with this thread? Nothing I guess...
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