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huggy wrote:I don't recall that,... but I do seem to recall an EF-111 that was trying to evade an Iraqi F-1 during the war, and the F-1 hit the ground.
huggy wrote:I seem to recall this, because back on 17 Jan 91, I was living in a hardened bunker at Taif, Saudi Arabia, along with many EF-111 pilots/WSOs. Over the next day or two, there was word that an EF-111 maneuvered to avoid an F-1, and the F-1 flew into the ground during the maneuvering.
I also recall others talking about it a few years after the fact.
It's been over 20 years... and that's a lot brain cells that have moved on. But I'm pretty sure I have the overall gist of the story correct.
No... I don't watch "History Channel" for my information. In fact, I really don't watch TV. However, I love the irony that you then reference the "official former Iraqi Air Force Facebook page" as a credible source. Sounds legit!! Is Baghdad Bob the webmaster??
old.iraqi.air.force wrote:huggy wrote:I don't recall that,... but I do seem to recall an EF-111 that was trying to evade an Iraqi F-1 during the war, and the F-1 hit the ground.
There is no Iraqi Mirage F-1 hit the ground in gulf war 1991 desert storm, actually the Iraqi Mirage F-1 No 4021 from 79th squadron of IrAF shot down US EF-111A s/n 66-0023 on January 17-1991 but US claimed that EF-111A s/n 66-0023 was shot down on the 13/14th February, nearly one month after and this not truth, i can guess you relied on media sources such as history channel desert storm dogfights TV program, which is totally wrong, however the story below by the official former Iraqi air force facebook page.
Colonel pilot Nafie Najim Al-Jubouri.
From The former Iraqi Air Force
Born 1964 – KIA 2003
He graduated from the Greek Air Academy in 1986, he was one of the best pilot student at that time, he achieved golden sword award for high skilled performance, he had more than 1300 Flight hours until 2003.
Colonel pilot Nafie Al-Jubouri was just first lieutenant pilot in the Gulf War "Desert storm" who managed to attain one of the aerial victories by the Iraqi Air Force in his Mirage F-1 No 4021 from 79th squadron of IrAF, after midnight of January 17-1991 exactly at 0306 AM, Colonel Nafie scrambled and took off from Saad air base better to know H 2 west of Iraq, flying his Mirage F-1 on the first night of the war in order to root out and shoot-down Coalition aircraft bombing Iraq, when he received target info about U.S EF-111A northwest H 2, the sky of Iraq was totally covered by white lines of fired missiles due to the air combat, And coalition F-15s formations was just in every five miles around, but the Eagles was exhausted in that moment because the Iraqi FoxBat was chasing them, however Colonel pilot Nafie across the darkness of that night with flashing explosions on the ground as well as in the sky and headed directly to intercept the target, and just a few minutes later the U.S EF-111A appeared on his radar screen, after identified the target he confirmed to the Ground Control it's enemy aircraft and request permission to open fire, seconds later he got the permission and simultaneously locked the target and fired single missile type Matra 530 directly toward to the U.S EF-111A, s/n 66-0023, the F-111 tried to Jamming and avoid the missile, but the Matra 530 hit the F-111 in the cockpit sent it to the ground.
RIP to all Warriors fall in that conflict.
old.iraqi.air.force wrote:aaam wrote:mixelflick wrote:The Phoenix US shots were taken by F-14D's at extreme range, at Foxbats. I've heard conflicting reports of rocket motors failing, etc. but nothing more. Would have been nice if it were disclosed how close they got to said Foxbats, but I understand this probably falls into the, "can't talk about that" category. LOL...
Regardless, the Phoenix seems to have accomplished its objective: Keep offending Soviet bombers etc. FAR away from the fleet. It's psychological impact , if not physical was imposing. I do believe the Iranian claims btw, as there's just too much evidence to suggest the Phoenix was successful. Add to that the Desert Storm reports of Iraqi fighters turning away when painted by the F-14's AWG-9, and I think it's rather obvious...
AIM-54s were fired in 1999 against Iraqi a/c at long range but failed to score. it's worthy of note that F-15s around the same time (maybe even the same engagement) fired AIM-120s at their extreme range and also missed.
I don't mean offend, but i doubt they were even able to use the AIM-54A in correct way, add to that during the war was that Iranian F-14s are inoperational and can't deploy the AIM-54As in combat mission (for technical and professional reasons), logically the AIM-54 designed to neutralize fast and large targets such as bombers which is less maneuverability, fire it on movable ground target or air objective such MIGs just wasting ammunition for no achievement, and kindly if you can help me to prove your claim ( there's just too much evidence to suggest the Phoenix was successful ) where ! may i know? on Tom Cooper list Iranian Air-to-Air Victories! if does then you depends on prosaic source, claims only are not based on fact, totally incorrect. if you got chance to read this phrase ( highly-experienced Iranian pilots, the F-14A proved the ultimate "MiG-Killer" during the long war against Iraq, eventually scoring over 160 ) on acig, So let me tell you that you may be tricked into empty information, how many Super Etendard Iranians claims that shot down by their F-14 ? five to six ? simply none. because Iraq borrowed only five Super Etendard from the French in October 1983 were later after one year returned (minus one lost in a training accident ) when the dedicated version Mirage F-1EQ for anti ship missions was not in sufficient number. so I am just wondering and ask my self here: those Super Etendard ( as Tom Cooper or Iranians claims that shot down by Iran F-14 ) before 1983 and after 1984, come from where ?! as well with many other Iraqi air craft Iranians claims that shot down by their F-14 or F-4 or even F-5, actually we didn't know it's simple as that, just choose a specific date and name of any air craft that you would like to claim shot down and published somewhere, People will rely on as source and forward it, no serial number of Iraq aircraft no Iraq pilot name, just type and date and load of numbers on the list, just like christmas morning choose your favorite one.
Ok let's say between 4 to 6 F-22 raptor were shot down by MIG-19 in random date " choose whatever you like" in 1982 it's gonna be certified and documented in the future ?!!
who knows I've already written it and will see ..
You guys can sort it out.
My wife says sometimes it's hard to tell what happened in the dark.
old.iraqi.air.force wrote:Trust me there is no Iraqi F-1 hit the ground out-maneuvering,...
huggy wrote:old.iraqi.air.force wrote:Trust me there is no Iraqi F-1 hit the ground out-maneuvering,...
I looked around on the internet, and there are multiple sources that confirm this event.
It appears that Brandon, and the pilot (James Denton), received a Distinguished Flying Cross for the event,... which was witnessed by other in the area.