2013 Thunderbird schedule cancelled

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Unread post02 Mar 2013, 16:59

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123338424

Well, the U.S.A.F. just cancelled the Thunderbird season... Other flying got cut 18%. Now the question I guess is what is next?
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Unread post02 Mar 2013, 21:52

tbarlow wrote:http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123338424

Well, the U.S.A.F. just cancelled the Thunderbird season... Other flying got cut 18%. Now the question I guess is what is next?

:wtf:
WTF Can someone have some F-16s or better yet, F-35s fly over Capitol Hill?
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This worked in Brazil last year.
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Unread post03 Mar 2013, 05:14

maybe its a political statement. like"hey, you cant get a goddamn budget together? well no more shiny planes for you"
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Unread post03 Mar 2013, 14:48

Standing them down is like taking away apple pie, baseball, and Sunday BBQ- it's UN-American.
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Unread post03 Mar 2013, 21:14

Funny how the Commemorative Air Force can afford a B-17 fly-over over the Nascar race in Phoenix, but our air force cant with Luke AFB right there...
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Unread post04 Mar 2013, 00:53

If the US gov't wants to REALLY save some money, it needs to ground Air Force One.
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Unread post04 Mar 2013, 03:04

razamanaz wrote:If the US gov't wants to REALLY save some money, it needs to ground Air Force One.

In all seriousness, I can't figure out why they don't use a C-37B/C-40 more for presidential/VIP transport. The actual C-37Bs (G550) in service have quite nice interiors, but not big enough for all the support staff and press pool need for "official" visits, which adds to the insanely high costs.
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Unread post04 Mar 2013, 17:50

Y'all can get the T-birds back on the road if you really miss them that badly. Just call your congressman and tell him / her that you're willing to pay more Federal taxes to keep them airborne.
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Unread post04 Mar 2013, 20:31

Meteor wrote:Y'all can get the T-birds back on the road if you really miss them that badly. Just call your congressman and tell him / her that you're willing to pay more Federal taxes to keep them airborne.

It's not quite that simple (training costs and all) but apparently the cost of a Thunderbirds performance isn't insanely high, and in some cases, the event organizes have to pay the direct costs.

I remember reading the ACC F-22 requirements and its pretty involved. Fuel has to be provided from an approved contractor and a whole bunch of other requirements. For some events, the organizer has to pay for the fuel and other costs. I doubt the Thunderbirds are substantially different with regard to organizer requirements and costs involve. Each F-16 costs $9,742/Hr Reimbursable Rate, according to DoD Comptroller, when other maintenance costs are factored in, its ~50% higher. Some figures put the total cost of each show at $250k.

According to the Support Manual, the USAF pays for the fuel at standard rates, and the show organizer is responsible for transport of fuel costs, and any costs incurred over the standard rates.
http://afthunderbirds.com/site/wp-conte ... nual-1.pdf

I've heard that the the USAF does request reimbursement of the costs for demonstration performances, on a case-by-case basis. One reason is that events have an entry-fee.

Back when I was working for a DoD contractor, there was a cost/budgeting arrangement for use of DoD assets including aircraft. For example, contractor training flights were usually billed as a separate line item, and were a reimbursable expense to the DoD
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Unread post06 Mar 2013, 13:06

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/milita ... 329785.php

Add the San Antonio airshow to the list of cuts... Just think, one day you can tell your kids on how cool it was to take them to an airshow that was put on by the military.
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Unread post07 Mar 2013, 05:02

tbarlow wrote:Funny how the Commemorative Air Force can afford a B-17 fly-over over the Nascar race in Phoenix, but our air force cant with Luke AFB right there...


Actually one has nothing to do with the other.
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Unread post18 May 2013, 16:11

Nonsense! They waste money everywhere like keeping people in afghanistan but they can't afford a Thunderbird schedule---
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Unread post21 May 2013, 00:26

Now their blk52's are just sitting there rotting away. When they fly again in Oct, should be interesting.
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Unread post22 May 2013, 03:22

they do drive them around the base every week. up Foxtrot, across Echo, down Golf, across Alpha, and back up Foxtrot and park. all in a line like ducklings!

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