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haavarla wrote:VVS don't need/want any two seater Pak-Fa.
Sukhoi don't want to waste of time and expense of R&D and produce an two seater Pak-Fa.
This is the explanation to India.
And India has no other choice than to follow suite, and get the singel seater Pak-Fa.
haavarla wrote:Finally i'm getting through to you.
Even if the F-35 is open for sale to India, LM cant give India anything close to what Sukhoi offer.
Cause there IS zippo chance for LM to export F-35 Kits to HAL, and 10000% certain that India will NOT get a liecens production of F-35.
Oh and did i also say in the other thread that the Pak-Fa export deal with India will be signed before year end. It is expected that Putin forthcoming visit to India is the time and place, the deal will be signed, and when it does, any wet dreams of ever exporting F-35 to India will die.
Why leave out the US Navy numbers in this? I understand their a different overall branch. But they pretty much work in conjunction with the USAF nowadays. Don't see why noone ever puts US Navy aircraft in the US air power projection.papakaz wrote:munny wrote:The US simply does not have the number of assets required to protect its own territory.
Huh? Last time I checked, the US had roughly 5 times the number of 4th generation + fighter aircraft than the world's number 2 - Russia, with less than half the land area to cover. Approximately 12 times the number of refueling aircraft, and 6 times the number of AWACS. Can't work out how your statement could be more incorrect.
Okay, here's what the US Air Force will look like when compared with the Russian Air Force in 2015.
US Air Force: 187 F-22A Raptors, 63 F-35A Lightning II's, 178 F-15C Eagles, 224 F-15E Strike Eagles, 450 F-16C/D Vipers/Fighting Falcons, 246 A-10C Warthogs/Thunderbolt II's. Total tactical strength: 1,348 aircraft of all types
VVS: 124 Su-34 Fullbacks, 188 MiG-31BM Foxfires, 241 Su-25SM Frogfeet, 553 Su-24M Fencers, 48 Su-35S Flanker-E's, 226 MiG-29SMT Fulcrums, 30 Su-30 Flanker-C's, 281 Su-27SM Flankers. Total tactical strength: 1,691 aircraft of all types. Strike one: VVS outnumbers USAF with viable legacy fleet prior to full-rate production of PAK FA and low-rate LMFS prototype production.
US Air Force: 418 KC-135 Stratotankers, 59 KC-10A Extenders. Total refueling capacity: 477 refueling aircraft of all types
VVS: 20 Il-86 Midas, plus buddy refueling stores on Su-24M Fencers (potentially 200 aircraft used in capacity with limited strike capability). Strike two: USAF tactical aircraft are unable to perform buddy refueling. The USAF does not possess over 12 times the number of aircraft, and if a common consensus exists, well over half the total Su-24 force (including other aircraft, such as older MiG-25s, which also can carry a heavy load, and can probably be modified to be buddy tankers).
US Air Force: 32 E-3B/C Sentries. Only AEW&C airframe in service with USAF
VVS: 20 A-50 Mainstays. Strike three. The VVS does not hold a significant disadvantage.
Conclusion: In a defensive war, the USAF has no real advantage over the Russian military. The USAF, further, has its slim advantage further reduced to the point where any additional attached air assets from the Marine Corps or Navy can be rather effectively attacked by Russian TACAIR, SAMs, or triple-A. Russian training dictates separate attacks that can be supported by a wingman lurking in a loose formation in an air superiority mission (as shown in an air-to-ground variant with the Frogfoot in Afghanistan), or alternatively, tight, line-astern formations ideal for passes on American strategic assets, while simultaneously disregarding individual losses for taking out higher-priority targets.
Defend against that, Munny.
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