Raptors in the Sandbox

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Unread post30 Apr 2012, 13:54

no, if it comes to a shooting war then we need to let the Raptor do what it was built for. The F-15s are just their as extra missile carriers for the Raptor.
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Unread post30 Apr 2012, 22:02

I agree...Raptors will take point and Eagles will clean up the left-overs.....But also will be interesting to see what Israel will bring for this MAIN EVENT............
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Unread post30 Apr 2012, 22:05

Siesta wrote:
sciafer wrote:Ahhhh COMSEC at its best.....


Think you meant OPSEC.... COMSEC is more the equipment and documents used for secure communications.

Theres been a whole thread or two about the very touchy subject of movement of aircraft..


Thanks Siesta!! Brain dump on this end.
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Unread post01 May 2012, 01:45

awsome wrote:I am kind of hoping it ends up being F-14 vs F-15. We need the real answer to "who's the best". :twisted:

A modern F-15 with all the upgrades vs. an F-14 that hasn't been upgraded in my lifetime?
That hardly seems a definitive test.
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Unread post01 May 2012, 02:11

We still don't know what those F-14's are packing. Still, I do agree any fight between our F-15's (let alone F-22s) would end in slaughter in our favor. The Iranians are hopelessly outgunned AND outnumbered.
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Unread post01 May 2012, 02:42

Globalsecurity.org is now reporting scheduled exercise's in the AOR.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... -voa01.htm
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Unread post01 May 2012, 04:02

Raptor's deployed to the mid-east AOR right before the Libya 'thing' went down.......but it went unreported.
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Unread post01 May 2012, 04:19

sciafer wrote:I agree...Raptors will take point and Eagles will clean up the left-overs.....But also will be interesting to see what Israel will bring for this MAIN EVENT............


Nah, they're too busy building walls and sealing in ghettos.

I kind of question the choice of U.A.E. to host these aircraft. The Gulf is not that wide and it is open sea for any Iranian missiles to cross. Saudi Arabia would be a more secure operations base.
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Unread post01 May 2012, 04:46

PhillyGuy...without saying much about it...this side of the Gulf is VERY well protected against an incoming threat.
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Unread post01 May 2012, 04:52

checksixx wrote:Raptor's deployed to the mid-east AOR right before the Libya 'thing' went down.......but it went unreported.


It was reported but no one payed any attention to it.

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/22927/

"The world's premier air dominance fighter and the only fully operational 5th generation fighter, the F-22 deployed around the world in 2010, including to Andersen AFB, Guam; Japan; South Korea; and the United Arab Emirates."

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Ai ... d172d49687

http://www.sldinfo.com/re-thinking-mane ... m-the-sea/

"With the decision of the U.S. national command authority to “lead from behind,” the Marines were almost inadvertently given a leading role. What “lead from behind” meant operationally was that the U.S. was not going to commit significant combat air capabilities to the fight, so the F-22 returned from Middle East exercises and the aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean was sent elsewhere, to support US ground troops in Afghanistan."
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Unread post01 May 2012, 08:23

Good catch structuresguy! Never saw those! Thanks!

Yeah, not many people were paying attention during that time.
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Unread post01 May 2012, 08:55

The Aviationist wrote:Exclusive: What nobody else will tell you about the U.S. F-22 stealth fighters deployed near Iran
April 30, 2012
Posted by David Cenciotti

The news that multiple F-22 stealth fighters were deployed "near Iran" has already been reported by the most important media outlets all around the world.

However, nobody has been able to provide some important details that could be useful to better understand the scope of this overseas deployment: when did the Raptors deploy? How many aircraft were deployed? Where?

And, above all, are those plane capable to perform strike missions in addition to the standard air-to-air sorties?

Thanks to the information provided by several sources, The Aviationist is able to fill the gaps, provide a more accurate view of the deployment and debunk some myths that fueled the media hype.

The six F-22 Raptors currently at Al Dhafra, UAE, belong to the 49th Fighter Wing, based at Holloman AFB, New Mexico. They flew as "Mazda 91" to Moron, Spain, on Apr. 17 and departed again for their final destination on Apr. 20.

Since they spent some 4 days in Spain, during their stay, the stealthy planes were photographed by several local spotters that were able to provide the exact list of all the examples involved in the deployment:

#04-4078, #04-4081, #05-4093, #05-4094, #05-4098, #05-4099.

If they were not willing to let the world know of such deployment they would not make a stopover in Spain, during daylight.

They are all Block 3.0 (or Block 30) examples meaning that neither of them has received the latest upgrade (Block 3.1) that has brought the capability to find and engage ground targets using the Synthetic Aperture Radar mapping and eight GBU-39 SDBs (Small Diameter Bombs) to the troubled stealthy fighter.

Therefore they are hardly involved in any build-up process in the region, since their role in case of war on Iran would be limited to the air-to-air arena: mainly fighter sweep (missions with the aim to seek out and destroy enemy aircraft prior to the arrival of the strike package), HVAA (High Value Air Asset) escort and DCA (Defensive Counter Air).

Considered the limited effectiveness of the Iranian Air Force, it is much more likely that the F-22s involved in any kind of attack on Iran would be those of the 3rd Fighter Wing, based at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, in Alaska, that was the first U.S. Air Force unit to receive the Block 3.1 planes and has already started training in the air-to-surface role.

Furthermore, the deployment is among those scheduled several month in advance and this is not the first time the F-22 deploys in the United Arab Emirates. In November 2009, some 1st Fighter Wing’s Raptors from Langley AFB, flew to Al Dhafra, to train with the French Air Force Rafales and the RAF Typhoons during exercise ATLC 2009. The episode is quite famous because in late December of the same year the French Ministry of Defense released the captures taken by the Rafale's OSF (Optronique Secteur Frontal) showing an F-22 killed in aerial combat. In fact, although the U.S. Air Force pilots told that their plane was undefeated during the exercise, the French were able to score one kill in six 1 vs 1 WVR (Within Visual Range) engagements versus the F-22 (the other 5 ended with a "draw").

source: http://theaviationist.com/2012/04/30/iran-f-22/
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Unread post01 May 2012, 10:36

Let's hope that article gives the Iranian Air Force the confidence it needs to confront the F-22 in head-to-head combat. It would be such a shame if they were avoid it.
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Unread post01 May 2012, 13:02

1st503rdsgt wrote:Let's hope that article gives the Iranian Air Force the confidence it needs to confront the F-22 in head-to-head combat. It would be such a shame if they were avoid it.


Agreed :twisted:

I suspect that this is being done for some kind of leverage reasons, I just haven't figured out what.
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Unread post01 May 2012, 13:18

southernphantom wrote:I suspect that this is being done for some kind of leverage reasons, I just haven't figured out what.


You know, it might sound crazy--I don't think it is--but the US has a vested interest in keeping things cool so it could very well be a way of giving the Israelis a bit of pause.

I don't think we'd stop them from a raid, but, with us there it makes it more difficult for them to just up and throw the world into chaos.
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