BK-1 First UK F-35 Rollout

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Unread post22 Nov 2011, 17:31

The first international F-35 Lightning II rolled out of the factory in Fort Worth, Texas, on 20 November 2011. The United Kingdom Ministry of Defence will use the short takeoff/vertical landing aircraft, known as BK-1, for training and operational tests. BK-1 will undergo functional fuel system checks before being transported to the flight line for ground and flight tests in the coming months. The F-35B is scheduled to be delivered in 2012.

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BK-1 Roll-out photos


The first international F-35 Lightning II rolls out of the factory on November 20th, 2011. The United Kingdom MoD will use the short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) jet, known as BK-1, for training and operational tests. [Lockheed Martin photo by Randy Crites]


The first international F-35 Lightning II rolls out of the factory on November 20th, 2011. The United Kingdom MoD will use the short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) jet, known as BK-1, for training and operational tests. [Lockheed Martin photo by Randy Crites]


BK-1 is the first international F-35, moving from final assembly to the fuel barn on November 20th, 2011. [Lockheed Martin photo by Randy Crites]
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Unread post22 Nov 2011, 23:05

Wonder why this jet wasn't reallocated, and a C model purchased instead since UK isn't buying "B"s now. Maybe because they didn't want a jet to be called "CK 1" ? :D
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Unread post22 Nov 2011, 23:36

Someone has to buy these jets. Thought one B model by the US?
Wondering how this will have a impact on the (early) British C orders?
Will the US buy all these three F35B’s or otherwise may be Italy?

Does anybody know when the first F35C’s will be delivered to the UK?
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Unread post22 Nov 2011, 23:47

AFAIK only the third F-35B UK order 'perhaps' will be changed to F-35C, as requested to Congress - don't know if it was authorised yet. Info on another thread. Otherwise the UK will have two F-35Bs as indicated. Who knows what they will do with them eventually however they do intend to carry out their own testing (whatever that means) with them. Lots of things are the same on all models. No? And the UK have not ordered any other aircraft so far AFAIK.
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Unread post23 Nov 2011, 00:41

spazsinbad wrote:AFAIK only the third F-35B UK order 'perhaps' will be changed to F-35C, as requested to Congress - don't know if it was authorised yet. Info on another thread. Otherwise the UK will have two F-35Bs as indicated. Who knows what they will do with them eventually however they do intend to carry out their own testing (whatever that means) with them. Lots of things are the same on all models. No? And the UK have not ordered any other aircraft so far AFAIK.



Still I think the B has got a different operational concept.
Also as a vertical model, engine wise, the B differs a lot from the A and C model.

A IOT&E is also mend, not only about tactics etc, coming to know a lot about maintenance, costs, spares, infra structure etc. etc.
As well information will be gathered coming to know more about what and how many spares to be ordered in the future.

I have the impression the UK, concerning some above mentioned aspects, is not in a very good position with these F35B’s and a F35C probably delivered late during the (common) IOT&E?

Do the British have their own IOT&E with these F35 B’s now, instead of the common IOT&E?
Quite some money, 2 (3) F35B’s, which have got to be sold and a (some kind of) British IOT&E

Let’s hope for the RAF the number of F35 to be ordered will not lower to numbers as mentioned in the media (40-50).
From ±150 to ±50 is one third from originally planned!

The UK Audit Offce either mentions 138, but probably will be lowered?
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Unread post23 Nov 2011, 02:14

jetnerd wrote:Wonder why this jet wasn't reallocated, and a C model purchased instead since UK isn't buying "B"s now. Maybe because they didn't want a jet to be called "CK 1" ? :D


Because its the UK's contribution to the test phase, won't ever see operation, and the RAF/RN have no CATOBAR test pilot to contribute
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Unread post23 Nov 2011, 02:36

bjr1028 wrote:
jetnerd wrote:Wonder why this jet wasn't reallocated, and a C model purchased instead since UK isn't buying "B"s now. Maybe because they didn't want a jet to be called "CK 1" ? :D


Because its the UK's contribution to the test phase, won't ever see operation, and the RAF/RN have no CATOBAR test pilot to contribute


I believe there are several, like 3 RN officers training on F-18's in the US, and more are supposedly going to train with the French Navy on their Rafales. Not sure if they are qualified test pilots. There also may be a problem with the US accepting this F-35B since the aircraft is still on (double secret) probation. Besides, why buy an additional expensive version now when the Marines can wait and purchase a possibly cheaper later block version later?
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Unread post23 Nov 2011, 03:24

The UK has no options :bang: Could become a real bargain, with in some years, for the US or may be Italy!
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Unread post23 Nov 2011, 04:49

The -B model will be fine for CTOL operations, basic F-35 training, mission systems testing, LO testing, weapon systems testing, maintenance training and so on. UK will get plenty of use out of the 2 B models it currently has on order and the C model it may get from No.3 onwards will start the progression towards a C model fleet.

I see this as pretty good news for the program actually. The first visible part of the production program going to someone besides the USA. For such a Joint and International program, this is a pretty important step, IMHO. Support for the aircraft amongst the partner nations will be hugely shored up when they start receiving aircraft and their forces start developing capability with them...
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Unread post23 Nov 2011, 05:35

I also have to wonder how bad the planning and coordination has to be if you're intending to fly C's and your test aircraft is a B. Could they not coordinate a trade with the Navy/Marines? Are they not on speaking terms anymore? Obama not speaking to Cameron? :?:
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Unread post23 Nov 2011, 08:41

This thread page has this info but 'in part' will be repeated here:
UK MOD in a MUDDLE over F-35C
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopi ... aries.html

Vagaries Continue To Cloud U.K. F-35 Agenda Aug 15, 2011 By Robert Wall

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... 352385.xml

"...Also still in process is an effort by the U.K. to switch one of three F-35s bought for the JSF test program from the “B” to the “C” model. The U.S. Congress must approve the move, as the U.S. would swap an F-35C to be bought in the sixth low-rate initial production (LRIP) lot for an F-35B the U.K. funded in LRIP 4.

The Pentagon says, “The proposed exchange would benefit both participants—the exchange would provide the U.S. with a Stovl aircraft 24 months earlier than planned to support maturity assessments and training needs; it would allow the U.K. to avoid the costs of a CV aircraft for operational test, and it would increase operational test capacity through the use of an instrumented CV aircraft in the LRIP 6 time frame.”

The move should come with no financial penalty to U.S. taxpayers. “The U.K. would bear the costs of upgrading and modifying the LRIP 4 Stovl aircraft to the more advanced LRIP 6 configuration. In addition, the U.K. would be responsible for bearing the costs of incorporating flight-test instrumentation of the CV aircraft as well as any other U.K.-unique CV aircraft requirements,” says the Pentagon. A U.K. defense official insists any costs associated with the change are already budgeted...."
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Unread post23 Nov 2011, 10:14

stereospace wrote:I also have to wonder how bad the planning and coordination has to be if you're intending to fly C's and your test aircraft is a B. Could they not coordinate a trade with the Navy/Marines?


Uh nooooo! Why would the marines want the downgraded foreign version? :twisted:
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Unread post23 Nov 2011, 12:43

stereospace wrote:I also have to wonder how bad the planning and coordination has to be if you're intending to fly C's and your test aircraft is a B. Could they not coordinate a trade with the Navy/Marines? Are they not on speaking terms anymore? Obama not speaking to Cameron? :?:


It's a test aircraft, it'll never be flown operationally and the UK end of this is to fund and make available three test aircraft for the F35 testing and development effort *as a whole* It's not a case of us buying the first of three aircraft for the UK - these will do useful duty for the F35 program.
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Unread post23 Nov 2011, 15:57

stobiewan wrote:
stereospace wrote:I also have to wonder how bad the planning and coordination has to be if you're intending to fly C's and your test aircraft is a B. Could they not coordinate a trade with the Navy/Marines? Are they not on speaking terms anymore? Obama not speaking to Cameron? :?:


It's a test aircraft, it'll never be flown operationally and the UK end of this is to fund and make available three test aircraft for the F35 testing and development effort *as a whole* It's not a case of us buying the first of three aircraft for the UK - these will do useful duty for the F35 program.


Agree with you: “It's not a case of us buying the first of three aircraft for the UK - these will do useful duty for the F35 program”

Still there is some kind of a problem for the UK
Both jets differ from each other, so the gathered F35B IOT&W information will not really be that much useful for the UK concerning some major aspects like: costs, maintenance costs, spares, maintenance experience, infra structure and etc.

The UK needs two teams (pilots, maintenance etc.) for both jets: B and the C version.
The UK has no C version from their own during IOT&E, when not ordered within some time.
All information, operating in specifally UK service and UK circumstances, will have to be gathered by using US F35 C's

A downgraded version as someone mentions?
During IOT&E the F35 will be used and flown by the pilots of all three nations. The F35 will be used by all pilots, in depended from what country.
Testing the aircraft would be a real kind of a problem for the US when these foreign F35’s would differ from US F35’s during IOT&E.

It's a test aircraft, it'll never be flown operationally?
How come? Not in case of the Dutch, after IOT&E the jet will be a fully operational jet.
But probably, at least one will be used as a test jet coming 30 years. like a F16 functions al these years for the Netherlands as well as used for US F16 testing.
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