Euros don't like the F-35 but like themselves

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Unread post06 Jun 2011, 11:43

"America won, that's what the big deal is, afterall we all know how much non-Americans hate to see America succeed at anything."

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Unread post06 Jun 2011, 20:58

Thank you all for the nice feedback.

I would just like to add something to the post i wrote yesterday.


The norwegian defence contractor Kongsberg, is now currently in the final development stages on a new fifth generation SSM ( Naval Strike Missile / Nytt sjømålsmissil), we are trying to take over the market swedes currently have with their SSMs. We are therefore currently developing this missile for the F35( so it actually fits inside the bay ) in partnership with Lockheed Martin as the "standard" future SSM for for the F35 under the name Joint Strike Missile (JSM). Having this missile made for the F35 program, will off course make Norway allot of money, which may not have been possible if we were not an active partner in the F35 program. Swedes are offcourse not happy with this, as they've not only lost a customer for jets, but may also a huge share of the market for SSMs. So the weapon industry in Norway also pushed for the F35.


So even if Norway end up paying more money for the F35, we might actually pay less overall if we can get the Naval Strike Missile / Joint Strike Missile into the NATO system as the ASM for the F35.

For those of you who would like to know more about the Missile;

http://www.kongsberg.com/en/KDS/Product ... keMissile/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Strike_Missile

video; http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c3_1230874790 ( i apologize that the language is Norwegian Only, its from a Norwegian -, but you get the idea from the pictures)

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Unread post06 Jun 2011, 21:21

Thanks for the links norseman. It would be interesting to know whether any other F-35 customer has expressed his interest into the JSM. It would be a quite good weapon to add, especially as it is designed for internal carriage. I think the JSM would be a feasable choice for most customers including the USN, RN, RDAF, RNAF and everyone else who intents to employ the F-35 in the naval strike role. The ability to deploy this weapon against ground based targets is also an interesting option and would allow for true stand-off attacks, while keep the aircraft's VLO characteristics uncompromised.
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Unread post06 Jun 2011, 21:52

Scorpion82 asked if any other F-35 customer has expressed their interest in the JSM. Answer: YES. Australia - pointed out in an several earlier threads about JSM. Here is one news item:

Norway funds Joint Strike Missile development http://www.f-16.net/news_article3431.html

"...Australia has collaborated with Norway in this project to help define specifications, operational requirements and to provide some funding...."
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Chronological JSM history links here: (and WikiPedia of course)

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/nor ... ile-03417/
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Unread post06 Jun 2011, 22:00

Scorpion82 wrote:Thanks for the links norseman. It would be interesting to know whether any other F-35 customer has expressed his interest into the JSM. It would be a quite good weapon to add, especially as it is designed for internal carriage. I think the JSM would be a feasable choice for most customers including the USN, RN, RDAF, RNAF and everyone else who intents to employ the F-35 in the naval strike role. The ability to deploy this weapon against ground based targets is also an interesting option and would allow for true stand-off attacks, while keep the aircraft's VLO characteristics uncompromised.




Australia has shown interest and is partly funding the program to convert the NSM to JSM. In the Norwegian Wikipedia page for the missile, it says that the United States has shown interest in the program and is following it closely, tho it has no reference or source.

but it wouldn't be surprising as US Navy is using its predecessor The Penguin ( AGM-119) and US navy has leased one of our "Stealthy" Missile Patrole boat which is built as a launch platform for the NSM, to see what they can learn for when its time for US to upgrade theirs.

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Unread post06 Jun 2011, 22:45

spaz,

The development of the JSM is actually a bit further along than your links indicate. Kongsberg was awarded a NOK 1.029B ( USD 191M) contract for "phase 2" development in april 2011. Kongsberg is expected to provide a similar amount themselves.

http://www.regjeringen.no/en/dep/fd/pre ... ?id=640113
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Unread post06 Jun 2011, 23:58

Australia not mentioned in this link in English: http://geneva-globaldefence.blogspot.co ... nt-of.html
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Unread post07 Jun 2011, 04:03

Scorpion82 wrote:. I think the JSM would be a feasable choice for most customers including the USN, RN, RDAF, RNAF and everyone else who intents to employ the F-35 in the naval strike role. The ability to deploy this weapon against ground based targets is also an interesting option and would allow for true stand-off attacks, while keep the aircraft's VLO characteristics uncompromised.


Found this

KONGSBERG sees a large potential for future deliveries of the JSM to F-35 customers. Based on agreement between US Department of Defense (DoD) and Norwegian Ministry of Defence (MoD), KONGSBERG is invited to participate in a competition in the US Navy in their need for both ship- and aircraft based missiles.


Here

http://www.kongsberg.com/en/KOG/News/20 ... Continued/

12/4/2011

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Unread post21 Jun 2011, 14:11

Missile Maneuvers by Bill Sweetman at 6/21/2011

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/de ... d=blogDest

"The Norwegian government will present its plan to buy an operational force of Joint Strike Fighters to the country's parliament next year, following approval of its plan to buy four F-35s for training. However, it is now openly linking a JSF order to its desire for US support for the development and production of Kongsberg's Joint Strike Missile (JSM).

Such support is not a condition for a JSF purchase, RAdm Arne Roksund, head of policy and long-term planning for Norway's ministry of defense, said at the Paris air show on Tuesday. But, he said, "JSM is the key" to Norway's industrial strategy for the F-35, which is to generate JSF-related Norwegian business equal to the country's costs for the program.

Roksund added that "the size and complexity of JSM" - a stealthy mini-cruise-missile that can be carried internally by JSF - "are a major challenge for a small nation, so the active support of other F-35 partner nations is vital."

Norway is currently funding JSF development nationally but will need support to continue development beyond 2014. The weapon is one of a number of options being studied under a US Navy analysis of alternatives for a new anti-surface warfare (ASuW) missile.

Norway also expects that the JSM will be integrated on the F-35 when it reaches initial operational capability with the RNoAF, planned for 2019 with the Block 4 competition. However, US deputy program office director Maj Gen CD Moore explicitly declined to confirm this, saying only that JSM integration is "one of a number of candidates" for Block 4.

Norway is also keen to see its Nammo Raufoss Apex all-purpose, uranium-free gun ammunition as a standard offering on JSF."
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Unread post06 Jun 2012, 07:50

Please delete this post, i posted in the wrong thread.
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