PAF to receive F-16 Block-52 aircraft

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Unread post01 Jul 2010, 07:06

Most of the important pieces that they carry do require periodic unlocking or they go dead. So what if they have no kill switch, they have essentially a time lock on them that requires attention or they might as well be paper weights.
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Unread post01 Jul 2010, 12:24

I think those bolck 52 F-16's are there as strike deterrents, rather than AA interceptors. They are too few and too valuable to be thrown on front of the Su-30MKI armada, not to mention all other types which outnumber it several times over.
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Unread post01 Jul 2010, 12:58

pakviper wrote:It was a false alarm, to-date PAF-public relations haven't confirmed an F-16 loss. it was either a Mirage or an F7-P which went down somewhere near Sargodha.

31/32 f-16A/B block 15, which after MLU will be f-16AM.

Similarly 14 refurbished f-16A/B block-15 will be designated the same, i.e
F-16AM.

Apart from these 18 F-16C/D Block 50/52+, loi, mou has been signed for another batch of brand new F-16 block50/52+ expected to be delivered by end of next year.

For the 32 block52+ Falcons two new squadrons will be formed, which will be stationed at Shahbaz AB, Jacobabad. 22 will be F-16Cs, and 12 will be
F-16Ds.

Its also worth mentioning that we have received 14 out of our 28 embargoed f-16s, negotiations are under-way to get them released, and transferred to PAF, and if that happens, then by 2012, we will have 91 F-16s in all.


Are there any credible sources to back up the claims about additional 18 Block-52s? I haven't heard anywhere that Pakistan would be opting for a further 18 Block-52s!
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Unread post01 Jul 2010, 14:35

#1. 18 December 1986: F-16/B Block-15U #81-1504, Crashed in Sargodha while taking off due to wild-boar on runway and both pilots ejected safely.

#2. 29 April 1987: F-16/A Block-15S #81-0918, Shot down in friendly fire while engaging enemy over Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

#3. 4 September 1989: F-16/A Block-15Q #81-0918, Crashed minutes after take-off from Sargodha as pilot was disoriented and subsequently died in the crash.

#4. 19 June 1991: F-16/A Block-15T #81-0921, Crashed near Kamra due to engine failure, subsequently forcing the pilot to eject.

#5. 28 October 1991: F-16/A Block-15U #81-0923, Crashed near Attock due to engine failure during a dog-fight training mission, pilot ejected safely.

#6. 10 November 1993: F-16/A Block-15N #81-0937, Crashed due to bird-hit, location of crash unknown, but pilots ejected safely.

#7. 17 March 1994: F-16/A Block-15S #81-0919, Crashed near Sargodha, spatial disorientation caused the crash, pilot was killed.

#8. 22 October 1994: F-16/A Block-15E #81-0899, Crashed near Sargodha, aircraft sustained bird-hit, pilot ejected safely.

#9. 17 July 2009: F-16/A Block-15AQ/OCU, Crashed South-West of Sargodha on a night training mission, pilot was killed upon crash.


So of the Forty F-16s delivered in 1983, there have been Nine crashes which means that the Peace Drive - I batch is down from 40 to now 31 aircrafts. This has been documented on this very forum, so unless there is evidence to say otherwise, our fleet stands at 31 F-16A/Bs, plus 1-14/28 F-16A/Bs refurbished by2008/9, 18 F-16C/Ds which are new order and 15-28/28 F-16A/Bs which would be refurbished over the course of this year.

Since there have been no reports on Pakistan utilizing the option of further 18 F-16C/Ds, Pakistan Air Force's F-16 fleet would stand at 77 aircrafts by December 2011, barring that there aren't any mishaps. Also, Pakistan Air Force had learnt its lesson in the past with America and which is why the order of 55 Block-52s was slashed to just 18 F-16C/D Block-52s and JF-17 Thunder orders increased from 150 fighters to 250.

Strategically, the F-16s have cost Pakistan more than it could afford in the shape of sanctions, restrictions and etc. We are helping America in the War On Terror, but not at the cost of our own freedom, sovereignty and the right to defend our country. Historically America has made and lost friends due to its bias in foreign policy. The ally Pakistan was once to America during the fifties and sixties is no longer, after America pulled out its support in the 1965 war with india.

Not anymore, Pakistan is no longer the kind of friend it was to America after the betrayal in 1965. We have learnt that our own interests serve us better than anything else. And we honor our friends who come through for us like China did when they helped us in supplying F-6 Farmers and T-59 tanks during the 1965 and 1971 wars with india. America can never fully understand Pakistan unless it understands why we consider india an enemy.
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Unread post01 Jul 2010, 16:34

f-16s can turn on a dime, literally!



True. Well said :D
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Unread post02 Jul 2010, 08:35

The New York Times wrote:Drones, Not So Much. F-16s? Yes, Please.
By SALMAN MASOOD
June 30, 2010, 1:01 pm

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistanis widely welcomed the news that their nation had received three F-16 fighter aircraft from the United States over the weekend. Dawn, considered the most prestigious English news daily of the country, ran a front-page article in its Sunday issue.

Pakistanis are fascinated, if not obsessed, with F-16 fighter jets.

It is the best fighting aircraft in the fleet of the Pakistan air force, allowed to be flown by only the country’s best pilots. Video of F-16 fighter aircraft roaring through the skies figures prominently in the air force’s inspirational anthems.

The sale of F-16s to Pakistan was suspended in the 1990s as an indication of the deteriorating relationship between the countries.

A couple of years ago, Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, who was then heading the media wing of the military, stressed in an interview that if America wanted to improve its image, it should expedite the delivery of F-16s.

It wasn’t just a simple wish of the military boys for their toys. The aircraft also serve as an effective diplomatic and public-relations tool.


The office of Anne W. Patterson, the United States ambassador in Islamabad, issued a statement Sunday calling the weekend induction of first three of the 18 F-16s ‘a historic milestone’ of relationship between Pakistan and the United States. It was, the statement said, “both a symbolic and tangible demonstration of our strong partnership and the U.S. intent to stand beside Pakistan over the long-term as an important ally and friend.”

The induction ceremony took place at Shahbaz Air Base near Jacobabad in southern Pakistan.

Pakistani officials sounded equally ecstatic. Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, the Pakistani air chief, welcomed the F-16s as “a dream that came true” while underscoring their importance in the “war against terror,” according to The News, a leading English daily.

Pakistan is paying $1.4 billion for the jets and an additional $1.3 billion to upgrade its existing fleet, according to reports in local news outlets.

Officials say the aircraft will be used for precision strikes against militant hide-outs in the country’s tribal regions straddling the border with Afghanistan.

Ironically, those who oppose American policies towards the country, including drone strikes, also welcomed the induction of American-manufactured fighter aircraft.

Zaid Hamid, a self-styled defense analyst known more for his conspiratorial and sensational commentaries regarding American influence in Pakistan, praised the delivery of the aircraft in a newsletter as “Alhamdulillah (thanks to Allah), another technological milestone achieved by Pakistan air force.”

source: http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/ ... es-please/
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Unread post02 Jul 2010, 08:41

Embassy of the United States - Islamabad, Pakistan wrote:Pakistan Air Force Inducts New U.S.-Provided F-16s into Fighter Fleet
June 27, 2010

Islamabad - U.S. and Pakistani officials commemorated the delivery of the first three of 18 new F-16 aircraft to the Government of Pakistan from the United States during an induction ceremony today at Shahbaz Air Base near Jacobabad, Pakistan.

"The induction of these advanced F-16s is a historic milestone for U.S.-Pakistan relations - both a symbolic and tangible demonstration of our strong partnership and the U.S. intent to stand beside Pakistan over the long-term as an important ally and friend," said Amb. Anne Patterson, U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan. "These aircraft underscore the promise made by the United States to support Pakistan to achieve our mutual goals of defeating violent extremists and establishing peace and security."

U.S. and Pakistani officials attending the ceremony included Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, Pakistan Air Force Chief of Air Staff; Amb. Patterson; U.S. Air Force Gen. Norton Schwartz, U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff; Air Marshal Mohammad Hassan, PAF Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations; U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. Mike Hostage, U.S. Air Forces Central Command commander, and U.S. Navy Vice Adm. Michael LeFever, U.S. Defense Representative to Pakistan. Approximately 300 Pakistani and U.S. officials attended the event.

"Pakistan's new F-16s will give PAF pilots and Pakistan's military an unprecedented advantage against extremist groups who threaten Pakistan and the region by enabling precision targeting in all-weather conditions, during both day and night, while reducing potential for collateral damage," said Vice Adm. LeFever. "The aircraft will also enable increased tactical interoperability between the PAF, the U.S. Air Force and ISAF Coalition air forces - greatly bolstering our ability to jointly communicate, coordinate and work together to achieve common goals while boosting the PAF's status as a world-class air force."

The F-16 Block 52 represents the latest configuration of Lockheed Martin's 4th generation multirole fighter, offering additional fuel and payload capacity, new or improved avionics and sensors, and color cockpit displays with enhanced pilot/vehicle interfaces. The next batch of new F-16s is scheduled for delivery to Pakistan in August, with all 18 fighter aircraft arriving by January 2012.

In addition to the delivery of these new aircraft, the U.S. is working with the PAF to update 45 F-16s from its existing fighter fleet through the U.S. Foreign Military Financing security assistance program. When the updates are completed, these aircraft will have very similar capabilities to the new F-16s, to include advanced communications and a precision targeting system. The first batch of updated F-16s is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan in early 2012.

During the last three years, U.S. civilian and security assistance to Pakistan has totaled more than $4 billion. Assistance has included support for medical aid, school refurbishment, bridge and well reconstruction, food distribution, agricultural and education projects. In addition to the three new F-16 Block 52 fighter planes, other U.S. security assistance provided includes an earlier delivery of an additional 14 F-16 fighter aircraft, 10 Mi-17 and two Bell 412EP helicopters, two P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, five fast patrol boats, 115 Howitzer self-propelled field artillery cannons, more than 450 vehicles for Pakistan's Frontier Corps, hundreds of night vision goggles, day/night scopes, radios, and thousands of protective vests and first-aid items for Pakistan's security forces. The U.S. also provided training for more than 370 Pakistani military officers in a wide range of leadership and development programs covering topics such as counterterrorism, intelligence, logistics, medical, flight safety, and military law.

source: http://islamabad.usembassy.gov/pr-10062701.html
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My goodness she looks gorgeous :) Saner minds would know I'm referring to the lady in gray.
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Unread post02 Jul 2010, 17:13

@sherdils,

For your kind information, these aren't even the serial numbers of our vipers. the first viper was delivered in 1982. Serial number of the first viper to land in Pakistan was #82701, it was an F-16A block-15 piloted by Shahid Javed. We have only lost 2-3 vipers to date, the rest were either grounded or were utilized for spares to keep the existing fleet operational.

The flight safety record for our crack F-16 squadrons is exemplary. We have achieved 5000 accident free hours over the last decade. this was quoted by director operations Pakistan Air Force. No.9, and no.11 squadrons are highly professional, and skilled.
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Unread post02 Jul 2010, 17:37

pakviper wrote:For your kind information, these aren't even the serial numbers of our vipers. the first viper was delivered in 1982. Serial number of the first viper to land in Pakistan was #82701,


#82701 = #81-0899

I would refer you to the database to match up the manufactures serial to the serial assigned by the PAF. sherdils list is based on the manufacturer serials.
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Unread post03 Jul 2010, 13:08

Jane's Defence Weekly wrote:Pakistan calls on US to speed up UAV, F-16 provision
July 2, 2010

By Jon Grevatt Jane's Asia-Pacific Industry Reporter

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has urged the United States to accelerate the proposed provision to Islamabad of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and mid-life upgrade (MLU) kits for its F-16 fighter aircraft.

A statement issued by the Pakistani government said Zardari told US Air Force Chief of Staff General Norton A Schwartz during a meeting on 28 June that the equipment was necessary for Pakistan to become more independent in efforts against insurgents.

Gen Schwartz was in Pakistan to hand over the first three F-16C/D Block 52 fighters: more capable versions of the Fighting Falcon that can execute night-time and precision-strike missions. A total of 18 aircraft are on order.

The government statement said: "President [Zardari] thanked the US government for the timely delivery of F-16 aircraft. ...

The president [also] urged for mid-life upgrading of our F-16s and said that defence collaboration between the two countries must remain strong.

"The president urged the US administration for early transfer of drone technology to Pakistan for its effective use by our own security forces to curb militancy and for its wider public acceptability."

Jane's reported in March 2010 that the US Department of Defense (DoD) is exploring options for supplying Pakistan with 12 RQ-7 Shadow UAVs so that the Pakistani military can have its own intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets. It is expected that the UAVs will arrive in Pakistan during the next year.

The MLU kits for the Pakistan Air Force's (PAF's) F-16s are anticipated to be delivered sooner. In May the US Air Force awarded a USD325 million contract to Lockheed Martin to provide 55 kits for PAF F-16 fighter aircraft: 45 MLU kits will be for the PAF's F-16A/B Block 15 aircraft with the remainder for its F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft.

The F-16 MLU deal is financed through the US Foreign Military Sales programme, under which Pakistan receives around USD300 million per year.

The UAV procurement, which is estimated to cost around USD150 million, will be funded through the Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund: an aid package established in 2009 to provide USD2.8 billion to Pakistan over five years in an effort to build a counter-insurgency capability.

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Unread post03 Jul 2010, 13:09

Jane's Defence Weekly wrote:Pakistan receives its first F-16C/D Block 52 fighters
July 2, 2010

By Farhan Bokhari JDW Correspondent

JACOBABAD: US and Pakistani officials commemorated the delivery of the first three of a batch of 18 F-16C/D Block 52 fighter aircraft to Pakistan at a remote Pakistan Air Force (PAF) base on 27 June.

During the induction ceremony at Shehbaz Air Base near Jacobabad, US Air Force (USAF) Chief of Staff General Norton Schwartz announced the "US intent to stand by Pakistan over the long term as an important ally and friend".

In a deal worth USD1.4 billion, the latest batch of F-16s are the first new fighters to be sold to Pakistan since a batch of 40 new F-16A/B models were sold to the country in the early 1980s.

The delivery comes against the backdrop of Pakistan's emergence as the main US ally against the occupation of Afghanistan by the former Soviet Union.

From 1990 the sale of hardware to Pakistan was suspended as part of US sanctions against the country because of its effort to build a nuclear bomb, which culminated with the country's first nuclear tests in 1998. The relationship resumed after the 2001 terrorist attacks on New York prompted Pakistan to join the US-led alliance against terror.

The US has since given older F-16A/B to Pakistan declared as Excess Defence Articles by the USAF. According to Pakistani officials, the PAF currently flies at least 45 of the older platforms and is presently lobbying the US to deliver between 14 to 18 more of the same variant, which along with the existing F-16A/Bs will undergo midlife upgrades.

At the 27 June ceremony Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, Pakistan's Air Force Chief of Staff, said: "This technology will not only eliminate our existing limitations [during] night operations, but [will] also enable the PAF to meet its mission more effectively. The mission of the PAF is to maintain peace with honour in the region." He added: "Should this primary task fail we will use all assets and all resources at our disposal, including these aircraft, to defend our country against any internal or external threat."

Western defence analysts speaking to Jane's in Islamabad said that while the new F-16s will help overcome unease among Pakistan's senior generals over ties to the US, the relationship still suffers from a lack of trust, which has forced Pakistan since the 1990 US sanctions to draw closer to China.

"Pakistan's foremost fighter development with China to co-produce the JF-17 and a deal in the pipeline to buy two squadrons of Chinese J-10 [FC-20] fighter aircraft all point towards the trust gap with the US and increasing reliance on China," one Western defence analyst told Jane's.

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Unread post05 Jul 2010, 19:45

Fourth F-16 handed over to Pakistan. Anyone know if its a 'C' or 'D'?.

The Express Tribune wrote:Pakistan gets fourth F-16 jet
July 05, 2010

ISLAMABAD: The United States has handed over another brand new Block 52 F-16 fighter jet to the Pakistan Air Force.

The latest fighter is the fourth out of a total of eighteen to be supplied by America. It belongs to the C and D family and is armed to the teeth with latest equipment.

The jet has now been inducted into the Pakistan Air Force. The US will supply the remaining fourteen F-16s next year.


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Unread post05 Jul 2010, 21:51

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Unread post12 Aug 2010, 19:29

Hello!
The F16C block 52, 10902 during the delivery flight:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pakistan ... 1759680/L/

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