Basic instincts: Resetting USMC core operational mindset

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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 05:33

Don't worry the "critics" will totally ignore it..... :?
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 05:53

SpudmanWP wrote:
steve2267 wrote: > 75% readiness...
Damn good for Block 2B

Not quite - BLOCK 3F: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=54421&p=401702&hilit=block#p401702
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viewtopic.php?f=58&t=13143&p=392677&hilit=Winter#p392677 [MIDDLE of POST for PARA]
11 Apr 2018: "... USS Essex will take on board a detachment from VMFA-211 this summer for deployment. VMFA-211’s F-35Bs will mark the first deployment of the 3F software..." http://seapowermagazine.org/stories/20180411-F35.html
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 06:18

Sweet.. missed that announcement... BAD Spud :bang: , BAD Spud :bang:
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 06:34

I've asked moderators to merge this thread with the one here: viewtopic.php?f=61&t=54445

Basic instincts: Resetting USMC core operational mindset
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 08:09

:twisted: 8) :devil: "2B or NOT 2B" That is the question. 'Hambone' :mrgreen: :shock: WaverDagger :doh: :drool: :roll:
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 08:48

Apologies, I didn't realize someone already posted this article.
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 14:33

kimjongnumbaun wrote:Apologies, I didn't realize someone already posted this article.


No worries. Not that specific article, but two other articles about the same story, per se. It's all good.
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 14:53

BZ for the successful first deployment.

However, if the reporting is correct, 1200hrs over 50 days w/ a 6hr avg sortie duration is two combat sections a day. (The 6hr ASD comes from LtCol Shoup in one of the other articles). The impressive part is not the hours nor the 75%, it is doing it afloat for 50 days.
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 15:37

qs, quick question. Are you saying "combat section" as a pair of F-35s sent on a sortie? When I run the numbers I get 4 aircraft per day with 6hr missions or 24 flight hours per day.
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 15:45

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:qs, quick question. Are you saying "combat section" as a pair of F-35s sent on a sortie? When I run the numbers I get 4 aircraft per day with 6hr missions or 24 flight hours per day.


Yes.
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 16:15

100 combat sorties over 50 days means exactly that. => 2 combat sorties /day.

One aircraft flew twice, or 2 aircraft flew ONCE. Sorry guys, nothing to write home about.
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 16:44

vilters wrote:100 combat sorties over 50 days means exactly that. => 2 combat sorties /day.

One aircraft flew twice, or 2 aircraft flew ONCE. Sorry guys, nothing to write home about.


On its first combat deployment, the Marine Corps’ F-35 bombed both the Taliban and ISIS


"F-35Bs flew more than 100 combat sorties against the Taliban and ISIS while deployed aboard the amphibious assault ship USS Essex, said Lt. Col. Kyle Shoop, commander of Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 211."

"We overall supported more than 50 days of combat flying for over 1,200 flight hours," Shoop told Task & Purpose. "We supported both Operation Freedom's Sentinel up in the Afghanistan region as well as Operation Inherent Resolve over Syria/Iraq. We employed ordnance in both theaters on numerous days," Shoop said. "Every single one of the pilots employed ordnance in theater. So, we were very busy."

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Overall, the F-35 exceeded expectations during its first deployment, Shoop said. The squadron was able to keep 75 percent of its aircraft operational at all times, allowing it to "fly pretty much at will."

https://taskandpurpose.com/f-35-combat-deployment


Lol @ vilters.

50 days @ 1200 flt hours = 24 hrs per day. So one aircraft was up all day and night, or two aircraft sortied for 12 hours each. OR, if it is as the former Marine aviator on here stated, four aircraft (two sections) each flew a six hour sortie per day... then there were 200 sorties.

200 > 100

I don't see the problem here.

I was impressed at the > 75% combat mission readiness rate. But the one in the know was more impressed at the more than 50 days of sustained operation. (Not to mention it flew twice as much as the Harriers could have.)

You're correct Vilters... no story here. Nothing to see here folks... move along. Nothing to see...
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 17:00

Is it considered a "sortie" if they don't drop the bomb?
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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 17:16

SpudmanWP wrote:Is it considered a "sortie" if they don't drop the bomb?

What else would it be? Do YOU define a 'sortie' in some other way? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortie
"...In military aviation, a sortie is a combat mission of an individual aircraft, starting when the aircraft takes off. For example, one mission involving six aircraft would tally six sorties. …"

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Unread post26 Feb 2019, 17:18

The wording of the article caused me some confusion. 1200 hours IS 50 days. So my take is they are saying that the F-35B had 50 days in accumulated combat flight hours through the deployment.

At first I thought the ship was out for 50 days.
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