Basic instincts: Resetting USMC core operational mindset

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Unread post17 Feb 2020, 15:22

“500lb GBU-12 Paveway II, they go easy on your total weight even in beast mode.“

I get your point, but (apart from the outboards) those pylons are probably 300ish lbs a piece.
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Unread post18 Feb 2020, 05:57

About 3,750lb in total for that external payload shown which I assume can be brought back for a vertical landing. Adding 2 more internal GBU-12 and AIM-120 would be another 1,750lb in weight, could the F-35B vertically land with ~5500lb of ordinance ? Would leave less than 2000lb of fuel under the 40kbf vertical thrust limit. I think Spazsinbad recently linked the F-35B minimum vertical landing weight but have been unable to find it again.
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Unread post18 Feb 2020, 06:21

The CONOPS won't be just a recon with that load. They would have primary and secondary targets. Then, if they were still too heavy back at ship. They would dump what they need to and land. Max vertical landing 37,000lb on google.
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Unread post18 Feb 2020, 06:27

KPP: "... STOVL vertical landing with two 1,000# JDAMs & two internal AIM-120s, full expendables, and fuel to fly the STOVL Recovery profile." Easy to figure out - not many numbers UNK - you can guess but guess good. Words words words.

VLBB is the search term Vertical Landing Bring Back: [one may guess about all of this but will be unknown until 'official']
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=52672&p=359982&hilit=VLBB#p359982
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OLD Guess: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=28132&p=304378&hilit=VLBB#p304378
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viewtopic.php?f=22&t=20304&p=252127&hilit=VLBB#p252127

And many more but you do the searching - there is a SAR KPP requirement which has been met but it is JUST WORDS.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=20304&p=241367&hilit=VLBB#p241367
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viewtopic.php?f=22&t=20304&p=232896&hilit=VLBB#p232896

Rilly Rilly OLD: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=16751&p=213265&hilit=VLBB#p213265

Good post in woids by 'QS': viewtopic.php?f=58&t=16725&p=213085&hilit=VLBB#p213085

LOTS of words from the dim past: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=15425&p=194944&hilit=VLBB#p194944

Gotta go - thunderbumper…. HE's BACK...

One may see the travesty that is PHOTObuckit: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=15378&p=194365&hilit=charts#p194365
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Unread post18 Feb 2020, 15:03

Max VLBB is ‘about’ 5K#. That’s 5K# above the OWE of the jet in a defined baseline configuration, which I assume to be clean, no pylons, no gun. That 5K must also include fuel. So, while that external load is recoverable, it will be so at near minimum recovery fuel states. The good news is that first-pass recovery rates are astronomical compared to that of their tailhook counterparts.

Obtw, just perused some of the old threads; where have all the Henny Pennys gone? ‘Compromised design...’ yada, yada, yada. It was so much more lively back then. :lmao:
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Unread post26 Feb 2020, 05:31

Bin Lookin' for dis grafik & now 'tis found: download/file.php?id=14935

GONE missing from here? viewtopic.php?f=22&t=23690&p=255949&hilit=Skeptic+Harrier#p255949

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Something more interesting? viewtopic.php?f=22&t=23690&p=256645&hilit=FINAL#p256645

download/file.php?id=17893&t=1 USMC F-35B approach / landing & emergency fuel required

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Unread post27 Feb 2020, 18:15

So the X-35B could carry 2, 2000lb JDAM's, but the production F-35B only carries 1000lbers?

If memory serves, they had to go with a smaller internal weapons bay in the production model - do I have that right? It probably isn't as big a deal as originally thought, owing to the constant refinement of miniaturization, w/respect to weapons...
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Unread post27 Feb 2020, 18:38

The X-jet did not carry weapons.
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