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Unread post19 Jul 2018, 07:44

Fantastic article (translate it with google) about what really happend with the FACO deal.

General Pasquale Preziosa (air force) explained how we managed to loose 4B euros with the cut of 40 F35.

http://www.difesaonline.it/evidenza/int ... 35-litalia

The initial part is a bait watch out


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Unread post19 Jul 2018, 07:59

Imagine how much they will lose if they cancel the rest.. ouch.
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Unread post19 Jul 2018, 09:32

https://translate.google.com.au/transla ... edit-text=
The real F-35 scandal: Italy
18 Jul 2018 Andrea Cucco

...we interviewed the former Chief of Staff of the Air Force, General Pasquale Preziosa. Accomplice a moment of relaxation in the quiet company of the grandchildren, the general has provided with the already proverbial sincereness some data that we lacked ...

General Precious, what happened with the 2012 cut to the quota of F-35?

Our convenience would have been not to go below one hundred aircraft: we would have, as it has been, lost a 30% share in the production of wingbars of the aircraft.

What was the value of every wing box and how many would we have to produce?

The value was around 10 million each. We should have produced over 1280, if I remember correctly. We have lost 400.

So getting off at 90 has made us lose ...

Let's talk, with the penalties, of the beauty of 4-5 billion! This happens when the analyzes target the System-government (not the "Country System", nda) .

A reduction was "politically" required, even if the government was then "technical" (Monti government, ed . ) .

What would have been the greatest convenience? Contract the purchase to 101 F-35, avoiding to lose the industry and ultimately Italy that mountain of money.

Someone claims that the program represented a rip off for our country ...

The reality is the opposite: the Americans had ONLY allowed Italy to produce the wingbars and to assemble the aircraft outside the United States! A technological advantage evident to those entering the Camaro FACO.

If we compare the sum of the investments in the program (about a billion), the cost of the aircraft and the 12-13 billion of the industrial return, the "Sistema Paese Italia" aircraft were supplied almost free!

We were the country elected by the United States in Europe for maximum benefit. Each of us can then make their own calculations to reduce this privilege ... In Italy we managed to compromise a unique opportunity: the cut made did not entail a saving, it will cost billions: those compromised with the loss of production.

Can things change?

In Italy, those who sit on the "papal throne" always repeat the same things, as if there were only Ustica and the F-35 ... I do not expect great changes.

At the time did not anyone fight to avoid cutting?

The letters sent advised against all the reduction under quota 100 ... Also because we are replacing DUECENTOQUARANTA aircraft - between Tornado (photo) and AMX - with, now, 90!

Operationally I do not know if the reduction will be sustainable: already the original number of 131 F-35 was just enough. But whoever is called to perform operational tasks is never the same who decides to reduce.

If we are called to support a task will we be able to fulfill it in these conditions?

Italy is today one of the few countries to have 5 - generation technology to enter a future that has been outlined. We do not decide the future, we are "followers", the United States, Russia and China establish it. These protagonists are beyond the fourth generation, some even beyond the fifth. Italy, with a few other European countries was ahead of this trail. I had hair when I was already talking about F-35 ... today it is a reality.

How many years will the F-35 serve?

We are talking at least for the next twenty years. Period in which an adequate mitigation of the risk can not be provided by fourth generation aircraft.

In international politics we need firm points: I have made a decision and I keep it. Compliance with commitments represents the reliability of a country. If, every time, a signed contract is questioned the credibility of the contractors is less.

If today we renegotiate the share of F-35 to return to quota 101 that would not have affected the industrial production originally assigned ... would they send us to that country?

We should renegotiate it ... In a world that still goes ahead, Italy, given its low reliability, a country of long discussions, will not have an easy life. Maintenance was assigned to England: a patient nation that had suffered the failure of FACO's assignment to Italy.

In the past, thanks to the commissions of the Chamber and the Senate, we set the Final Assembly and Check Out as a condition for the purchase of the F-35s: a technological paradise for those who have the opportunity to visit it. If such excellences are not appreciated, after being requested , the Americans will make it a reason ...

The United States assign FACO to Italy and what do we do? We still discuss whether to take the F-35, if not take it or in what number? !!!

Recall that the Americans do not care about a few dozen aircraft. They will buy thousands of them. We have lost an opportunity!

Someone then speaks of "sovereignty" ... But why does the Eurofighter give us sovereignty? It is shared in Europe (and England is out today ...). Many parts are made in the UK, has a "security of supply" been made? When we speak of "sovereignty" or make sure we can conceive and implement all the technology present in an industrial field, otherwise it does not exist.

An example?

Motor technology. Italy makes the cells of the aircraft but we do not design and realize engines.

The avionics? We are mostly systems "integrators", not so much producers.

So "sovereignty" of what ...? If the Rolls Royce gives us no more spare parts for the 339 Viper (photo) , the planes remain on the ground!

Someone emphasizes the dependence of US comparisons with the F-35 ...

We are in NATO. There is no operation that is carried out without the United States or the consent of others. We are not able to conduct operations independently, without an older brother.

With the future 150,000 men ... How many operations? The half? Divided over three turns ... what can we do without the Alliance? It is NATO that guarantees our security.

The Air Force, with half of the aircraft in line today, will not be oversized as an organic?

Aeronautics without means is of little use. Even with the F-35, without the AMX, it will need a range of low-intensity conflict aircraft. The Eurofighter will not serve.

We need an analysis and a strategic plan in relation to the international scenario. The politician will then evaluate. However - I repeat - once the decision has been taken, we must keep our word.

Another white paper?

Even with an "important" left majority and with a supreme defense council that seemed to have shared everything ... it remained "white".

For four years they brought it to us with the white paper ... ( v.articolo ) Without being able to approve it!

Probably there was no conviction. It was an expression of a part of the majority that wanted to go over the top.

I remember when there was doubt whether the president of the board had signed or not the text ... When one of the PD does not countersign an initiative of another of the PD that means? Which is not shared! Or that it was an internal struggle between party currents ...

If you really want, a white paper is written in three months and in other three it is approved ...

In reality they needed - and need - funds for the defense budget. A white book you can not even write it but implement it. Let's think about the reduction made by Minister Di Paola that will bring the armed forces to 150,000 from 190,000. He did it during the single year of the technical government.

The white paper? For three years a mockery.

After a year spent inviting anyone - including children - to write down what our defense should have been ...

A mockery. Today the urgency is the budget! We have a few platforms in all the Armed Forces. The cost of the Personnel is incompressible immediately, it needs time to reduce. Investments and Exercise can be cut. The latter is the one that suffers most today .

In Germany, the chief of staff indicated to the Germans that the F-35 will be acquired as fifth generation aircraft and then moved to the sixth.

Why have we not moved from the current generation of the fourth generation Eurofighter to a fifth generation Eurofighter? Because the Eurofighter cost A TOMBOLA, almost two and a half times a F-35 !!! After that experience, Europe actually stopped at the fourth generation and there was not enough money left to develop the fifth.

Italy, Holland and England have invested in the American project to obtain the F-35. The proposal was "technical" but at the time it was completed by politics ... After twenty years we can not continue to discuss cuts.

Today the F-35 is the aircraft necessary for the new scenarios. I want to see who has the courage to tell a hospital's primary type of scalpel to use for a given operation! Can it be an administrative one to decide? The "technician" (the Aeronautica Militare) has already expressed himself by giving his own assessment to parliament and government. The other political "superstructures" have only created damage.

The first reduction from 131 to 90 aircraft has already produced 4-5 billion damage! If certain people were called to answer for losses to the "Italian System", I believe that decisions would be taken more wisely. The operational requirement of the first cut at the F-35 was not there: 130 aircraft were the MINIMUM indispensable to replace 240."

Source: http://www.difesaonline.it/evidenza/int ... 35-litalia
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Unread post14 Aug 2018, 02:53

Mama mia...

Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.

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