LtGen. Bogdan: F-35 Weapon Bay Redesign One Time Event ONLY

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Unread post26 Oct 2015, 17:12

Turkey hopes to fly SOM-J in late 2016, targeting F-35 Block 4.2
26 Oct 2015 James Drew [SOM-J stuff is already in the 'weapon' subsection mostly and is old news]

"...F-35 joint programme office head Lt Gen Christopher Bogdan says there will be equal opportunity for weapons integration through the Lightning II Block 4-series modernisation, but the timing depends on the weapon’s maturity and integration readiness, and it must fit correctly.

If the weapons bay has to be redesigned to accommodate [new] weapons, we’ll only be redesigning it one time,” Bogdan told reporters after the Norwegian F-35 rollout ceremony in Texas last month.

“We intend on only redesigning the weapons bay one time, so we’re looking at all the weapons together, to figure out what the weapons bay has to look like to put any or all of the weapons on there so you only have to do it once.”

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Unread post26 Oct 2015, 17:55

Since Turkey has already stated the desire to update SOM with UAI, this will make integration MUCH easier.
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Unread post27 Oct 2015, 07:10

Hopefully, it will just be the known issue with the F-35B weapons bay and the required load of Small Diameter Bomb II.
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Unread post27 Oct 2015, 11:13

Jassm doesn't need to go in?
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Unread post27 Oct 2015, 12:01

JASSM's a pretty long ranged weapon; just send up one F-35 with internal weapons only to get targeting data, and then just either launch a JASSM from another F-35 from 350km+ (outside the range of any naval SAM I can think of) or from 1000km away if you've got a JASSM-ER.
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Unread post27 Oct 2015, 14:29

The current JASSM or JASSM-ER need not be internally capable for the reasons mentioned above. Lockheed has however in the past offered to design a JASSM variant with a smaller warhead, largely the same sensors and systems and also similar range but compliant with the bays of the F-22 and F-35. That could be a long term solution like a much more stealthier JSM competitor.
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Unread post27 Oct 2015, 16:02

bring_it_on wrote:The current JASSM or JASSM-ER need not be internally capable for the reasons mentioned above. Lockheed has however in the past offered to design a JASSM variant with a smaller warhead, largely the same sensors and systems and also similar range but compliant with the bays of the F-22 and F-35. That could be a long term solution like a much more stealthier JSM competitor.

why do you think JASSM is stealthier than JSM though ?
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Unread post27 Oct 2015, 19:06

LRASM, JASSM, and JASSM-ER not stealthy enough for external carry on the F-35?
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Unread post27 Oct 2015, 21:33

tritonprime wrote:LRASM, JASSM, and JASSM-ER not stealthy enough for external carry on the F-35?

pylons are not stealthy, and the missiles will interference with the aircraft airframe results in high RCS
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Unread post28 Oct 2015, 13:37

Dragon029 wrote:JASSM's a pretty long ranged weapon; just send up one F-35 with internal weapons only to get targeting data, and then just either launch a JASSM from another F-35 from 350km+ (outside the range of any naval SAM I can think of) or from 1000km away if you've got a JASSM-ER.


Yes, I guess JSM and SOM-J are different enough. 100km+ less range and half the payload. JSM is actually only 125kg HE blast vs 450kg penetrating/frag JASSM.
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Unread post28 Oct 2015, 21:51

I didn't mention the JSM or SOM-J at any point in my post, although JSM would still be pretty effective against anything other than targets in bunkers.
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Unread post28 Oct 2015, 22:00

What kind of bunker?

Remember that the NSM/JSM have land-attack capabilities.
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Unread post28 Oct 2015, 22:37

I wrote that while eating; all I meant is the rhetoric that the JSM is effective up until the point it's not, regardless of however many feet of reinforced concrete that is, at which point the JASSM is required (or just another JSM if you can hit it close enough twice).

Unless you're trying to outright bypass IADS to deliver a strike on an underground command post, I don't see the JASSM's warhead being a necessary thing, but hey, anythings possible.

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