New player on the board? Poland wants the F-35 too.

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Unread post19 Jan 2019, 01:37

steve2267 wrote:Harrumph!

No Rafale!?!

I thought the Rafale was the piece de la resistance, the creme-de-la-creme of the 4th gen world!?! Slayer of dragons... master of active stealth... denier of WVR supremacy?


Perhaps the Rafale "active stealth" was so darn effective that the Poles weren't able to see it and thus weren't able to shortlist it, LOL :mrgreen:
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post19 Jan 2019, 02:00

While the Luftwaffe might still have some decent folks left, the German politicians don't seem to give a sh*t. :bang:

Sell the Poles a wing of Lightnings, and move all the B61s from Germany to Poland. That will probably spin up Putin... but might make a good check against further Russian imperialistic ideas. :drool:

Or start a war. :doh:

C'est la vie. C'est la guerre.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post19 Jan 2019, 14:49

Said this in the Singapore thread and I'll say it again: The death spiral for 4 ++ whatever fighters has started. Would you buy an aircraft that costs more and is significantly less capable? Nobody would. Especially when you consider the inter-operability with other NATO countries flying the F-35.

It's started. Singapore,Poland and others (except Pierre Sprey), are seeing the light... :)
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Unread post19 Jan 2019, 17:06

That's why I believe the F-35 production run would exceed F-16 total eventually. All the F-16s around the world will eventually need replacing including new-builds coming off the line now. I can still see evolved variants of F-35 being produced 50 years from now like F-15 is now. Sure PCA will become the new stealth strike Eagle eventually but most airforces will still go for bang for buck and pick the latest stealth lightning panther as their baseline fighter.
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 10:13

Poland wants to buy fifth-gen fighters under $49B modernization program

https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... n-program/

Polish Defence Minister Mariusz Blaszczak announced Thursday he signed a military modernization plan document under which the country will spend 185 billion zloty (U.S. $49 billion) on new weapons and military equipment by 2026.

The acquisition of 32 fifth-generation fighter jets is one of the priority procurements that are to be carried out under the program, the minister said.

“I expect both the chief of the General Staff, and the chief of the Armament Inspectorate to immediately initiate actions to perform this task,” Blaszczak said in a Feb. 28 ministerial statement.

The acquisition aims to help Poland replace its outdated Soviet-era Sukhoi Su-22 and Mikoyan MiG-29 aircraft.
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 12:38

But it does not say they want F-35, they want "5th generation" :D
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 14:52

Do you know of any other 5th Generation in production?
F-35 is the only one, so he does not even have to mention type.
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 15:34

vilters wrote:Do you know of any other 5th Generation in production?

To add to hythelday's meme: Where does it state they want a fifth gen that is in production?

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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 16:28

Just tell Poland the senior designer of the F-35 is Bob """"""Ruszkowksi"""""" that might convince them to purchase more. Either way I can make a safe bet that Poland in the mid 2020s will have more F-35s than the Russians will have SU-57s(even if 2nd stage engines ever came to be) if they are really planning on purchasing 30+ 5th gen fighters
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 16:31

botsing wrote:To add to hythelday's meme: Where does it state they want a fifth gen that is in production?

:mrgreen:


The Poles do not strike me as one's to play around. They say it right here:

barrelnut wrote:
“I expect both the chief of the General Staff, and the chief of the Armament Inspectorate to immediately initiate actions to perform this task,” Blaszczak said in a Feb. 28 ministerial statement.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/02/28/poland-wants-to-buy-fifth-gen-fighters-under-49b-modernization-program/


Lacking a plan to steal F-22's from the USAF, I do not see a 20+ year wait for a glimmer in the French, German, and Spanish eyes as counting as immediately... :devil: :mrgreen:
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 16:40

steve2267 wrote:Lacking a plan to steal F-22's from the USAF, I do not see a 20+ year wait for a glimmer in the French, German, and Spanish eyes as counting as immediately... :devil: :mrgreen:

What about the Chinese?

J-20 "Błyskawica" sounds good no? :twisted:
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 16:56

botsing wrote:
steve2267 wrote:Lacking a plan to steal F-22's from the USAF, I do not see a 20+ year wait for a glimmer in the French, German, and Spanish eyes as counting as immediately... :devil: :mrgreen:

What about the Chinese?

J-20 "Błyskawica" sounds good no? :twisted:


Touché! :doh:
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 19:00

ricnunes wrote:
steve2267 wrote:Harrumph!

No Rafale!?!

I thought the Rafale was the piece de la resistance, the creme-de-la-creme of the 4th gen world!?! Slayer of dragons... master of active stealth... denier of WVR supremacy?


Perhaps the Rafale "active stealth" was so darn effective that the Poles weren't able to see it and thus weren't able to shortlist it, LOL :mrgreen:

I'd be careful about including rafale-f35 is other threads. It makes it harder to encourage them to stay on the rafale thread.
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 20:28

Best POLISHED Designer: Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz https://forvo.com/word/grzegorz_brz%C4% ... zykiewicz/

American guy and Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc5KBGL0v6Q

RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post02 Mar 2019, 02:00

spazsinbad wrote:Best POLISHED Designer: Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz https://forvo.com/word/grzegorz_brz%C4% ... zykiewicz/

American guy and Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc5KBGL0v6Q


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