SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

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Unread post09 Sep 2020, 10:29

Spain considering buying Typhoons and/or F-35's to replace their Hornets?


Sorry, couldn't copy and paste article because of copyrights. So, you'll have to translate yourself to read it... :|



https://www.infodefensa.com/es/2020/09/ ... dIpO7w8_-E
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Unread post09 Sep 2020, 13:51

2 page PDF of all article below: https://www.infodefensa.com/es/2020/09/ ... odelo.html
GOGGLYeyed translated: https://translate.googleusercontent.com ... I-K124jEag
The Air Force plans to acquire another fifth generation fighter in addition to the Eurofighter
09 Sep 2020 InfoDefensa

"The Spanish Air Force is studying the possibility of replacing its current fleet of F-18 fighter jets , in service at the Zaragoza and Torrejón de Ardoz air bases (Madrid), with a new batch of combat aircraft made up of Eurofighter LTE (Long Term Evolution) and another fifth-generation fighter model.

The Chief of the Air Staff (JEMA), Air General Javier Salto, explains in a recent interview in RED magazine that "the Air Force considers that the best solution to date would be to replace part of the F-18s with Eurofighter's acquisition of the most advanced version (LTE), while for the rest we do not rule out the option of acquiring either more Eurofighter or another 5th generation fighter model".

The EF-18M fleet - Spanish version of the F-18 - is currently composed of 52 fighters. The Ala 12 Torrejón operates about 36 aircraft and the remaining other 16 are in the wing 15 of Zaragoza. These aircraft will be decommissioned around 2030, however, the general emphasizes that the final decision "should not take more than two years."

As published by Infodefensa.com, Airbus has already offered a batch of between 20 and 30 Eurofighter LTEs to replace this entire fleet. If Spain finally committed two models in the race is expected to enter the F-18 Super Hornet from Boeing or the F-35 of Lockheed Martin. The choice of this last model would also open the door to the acquisition of the naval version, the F-35B, the only possible option to replace the Navy Harriers.

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What is clear is the replacement of the F-18s from the Gando air base (Gran Canaria), with more flight hours, acquired second-hand from the US Navy. JEMA points out that "at this time our priority is to guarantee the replacement of the oldest F-18s that we currently have deployed in the Canary Islands. The solution we are considering is the acquisition of new Eurofighters".

And specifically: "With this, we would give continuity to the knowledge acquired with this system and we could take advantage of synergies in the logistics and sustainability fields. All of this, providing support to the national aerospace industry, which we must not forget is a driving force behind the activity. economic in Spain and which represents 80 percent of the defense industry". The program, dubbed the Falcon, involves the purchase of some 20 new Eurofighters for around 2 billion euros. The contract could be signed next year, with the aim that the first planes will be in service from 2025...."

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Unread post10 Sep 2020, 00:28

So, maybe something like 20 Typhoons and 36 F-35A's for the Spanish Air Force. Which, I assume be followed by a dozen or so F-35B's for the Spanish Navy.
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Unread post10 Sep 2020, 17:26

Corsair1963 wrote:So, maybe something like 20 Typhoons and 36 F-35A's for the Spanish Air Force. Which, I assume be followed by a dozen or so F-35B's for the Spanish Navy.


This makes sense, and I'd be willing to bet on the F-35B for the Navy too. Nothing else out there that can replace those Harriers, which have to be reaching the very end of their service lives - fast. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull the trigger on the F-35B first, for that very reason..
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Unread post11 Sep 2020, 01:20

The Spanish government is a coalition of the left. Getting them excited about buying a plane with no industrial participation will be difficult. It could happen though.
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Unread post11 Sep 2020, 17:39

Corsair1963 wrote:So, maybe something like 20 Typhoons and 36 F-35A's for the Spanish Air Force. Which, I assume be followed by a dozen or so F-35B's for the Spanish Navy.

Or better still, 56 F-35A for their Air Force + ___ F-35B for their Navy.
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Unread post14 Sep 2020, 01:33

wrightwing wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:So, maybe something like 20 Typhoons and 36 F-35A's for the Spanish Air Force. Which, I assume be followed by a dozen or so F-35B's for the Spanish Navy.

Or better still, 56 F-35A for their Air Force + ___ F-35B for their Navy.


Honestly, I would be happy with the above mix of Typhoons and F-35's!
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Unread post14 Sep 2020, 01:36

talkitron wrote:The Spanish government is a coalition of the left. Getting them excited about buying a plane with no industrial participation will be difficult. It could happen though.



Well, the Spanish Navy is going to have no option but to acquire some F-35B's to replace its Harriers. Yet, that purchase could spur an order for the Spanish Air Force. As I doubt they would want to be left out of the Stealth Fighter Game.
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Unread post14 Oct 2020, 09:26

The Spanish Navy is going to buy F-35B, because no other country produces a 4th gen short takeoff multirole jet.
On the late 2020s, because the Harriers got a life extension and are being retired before 2030 (so on 2027-2030, in case you didn't know how the spanish armed forces work).

F-35A from USA just won't happen while Typhoon keeps being locally produced, it can't compete in price to performance for ground attack. Plus way easier standardisation of supplies

Plus, France and Germany are working on a 6th generation jet and Spain joined the project, and it's because they plan to use it to skip a generation, so to say.

The Hornets are being changed for Typhoons, so hope only for the F-35B.
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Unread post14 Oct 2020, 09:49

franfran2424 wrote:The Spanish Navy is going to buy F-35B, because no other country produces a 4th gen short takeoff multirole jet.
On the late 2020s, because the Harriers got a life extension and are being retired before 2030 (so on 2027-2030, in case you didn't know how the spanish armed forces work).

F-35A from USA just won't happen while Typhoon keeps being locally produced, it can't compete in price to performance for ground attack. Plus way easier standardisation of supplies

Plus, France and Germany are working on a 6th generation jet and Spain joined the project, and it's because they plan to use it to skip a generation, so to say.

The Hornets are being changed for Typhoons, so hope only for the F-35B.



From what I've read sounds like the Air Force is pitching a mix buy of Typhoons and F-35A's to replace the Hornets. While, the F-35B would replace the Harriers for the Navy.

As for the F-35 not competing in price and ground attack. That is laughable and not supported by fact....

Nonetheless, it's clear many in Spain would prefer to just keep buying Typhoons. Which, shouldn't be surprising considering Spain is part of the Euro Fighter Program. Yet, the FCAS is along ways off too!

Honestly, sound like a Jump Ball to me...... :wink:
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Unread post14 Oct 2020, 12:36

If someone built a 4th generation stovl fighter to replace the Harrier, it would make lors of money.
So many countries either cant get the F-35 or will not buy it for political reasons. Is stovl THAT hard?
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Unread post14 Oct 2020, 12:39

Ask yourself why this idea has not come about already. Both Russia & China are 'apparently' working on this - ask them.
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Unread post15 Oct 2020, 21:40

jessmo112 wrote:If someone built a 4th generation stovl fighter to replace the Harrier, it would make lors of money.
So many countries either cant get the F-35 or will not buy it for political reasons. Is stovl THAT hard?


YES

and Harrier II is 4th gen
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Unread post19 Oct 2020, 18:03

franfran2424 wrote:F-35A from USA just won't happen while Typhoon keeps being locally produced, it can't compete in price to performance for ground attack. Plus way easier standardisation of supplies


Here, I fixed it for you:
... while Typhoon can't compete [with the F-35A] in price to performance for ground attack.
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Unread post20 Oct 2020, 04:28

Odds very much favor the Spanish Navy acquiring the F-35B for the Juan Carlos LHD. So, I wouldn't rule out some F-35A's for the Air Force....


As I said above it likely would be a mixed buy of Typhoons, F-35A's and F-35B's. With the former satisfying domestic needs...
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