FY2021 DoD Budget

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Unread post30 Jun 2020, 01:38

Corsair1963 wrote:
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weasel1962 wrote:
imho, the FY 21 budget already eliminated the F-18s. In last year budget, I argued getting rid of F-18s (rather than F-15s) was a better strategy considering that there were already significantly more newbuild navy super hornets (838 funded) i.e. lower average airframe life in the navy compared to the AF. It is also opportune to now buy more F-35Cs, which is happening.

What this means for the F-15EX program is no longer taking away USAF F-35 funds.


Except there was no uptick in outyear F-35C buys. In fact, there was a decrease relative to FY20.

My guess is that SLM/Block III upgrades are costing more than they initially predicted.


They increased the F-35C buy to 23 aircraft. Which, is enough to two squadrons...



The FY20 budget had

FY21: 18
FY22: 29
FY23: 27
FY24: 26

----> 100

The FY21 budget has

FY21: 21
FY22: 20
FY23: 26
FY24: 26
----> 93

So they lost 7 aircraft over the same outyear period.
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Unread post30 Jun 2020, 02:04

marauder2048 wrote:

The FY20 budget had

FY21: 18
FY22: 29
FY23: 27
FY24: 26

----> 100

The FY21 budget has

FY21: 21
FY22: 20
FY23: 26
FY24: 26
----> 93

So they lost 7 aircraft over the same outyear period.



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The House and Senate Armed Services committees make funding recommendations, which are then used by congressional budgeters in the appropriations committees to draw up the final funding bills. Nonetheless, SASC made a number of key funding authorizations that could mean major increases for certain aircraft programs.

• Unsurprisingly, it recommended a major increase for Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, approving the purchase of 60 F-35A conventional-takeoff-and-landing models, 12 F-35B short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing variants, and 23 F-35C carrier-takeoff-and-landing aircraft. That’s a net increase of 16 aircraft: 12 F-35As, two F-35Bs and two F-35Cs.


https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/06 ... tirements/


Plus, hard to count the out years as the numbers change all of the time..... :wink:
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Unread post30 Jun 2020, 20:02

But Congress does rely on out year budgets to gauge the intent of the services; you are seeing
these resolutions on the Navy's fixed-wing force structure because there are no out year buys
of the Super Hornet.

And given the long lead times, you may have to commit this year's money.
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Unread post01 Jul 2020, 07:23

marauder2048 wrote:But Congress does rely on out year budgets to gauge the intent of the services; you are seeing
these resolutions on the Navy's fixed-wing force structure because there are no out year buys
of the Super Hornet.

And given the long lead times, you may have to commit this year's money.



It's going to be nothing short of extremely fluid with US Defense Budgets until this November Election and beyond. So, expect to see countless twist and turns. It's not going to be pretty boys and girls......... :shock:
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Unread post08 Jul 2020, 17:44

House Appropriators Add 12 F-35s, Boost Weapons Spending, But…
07 Jul 2020 COLIN CLARK

"WASHINGTON: House appropriators made their first cut at the annual defense spending bill today, approving spending $3.5 billion below the Trump Administration’s request — although lawmakers added a substantial $4.1 billion for several weapons systems, including 12 additional F-35s....

...The appropriators approval of an increase in F-35 buys makes it unlikely the House Armed Services Committee’s skepticism of the Joint Strike Fighter program will prevail. The HASC added no more planes above the administration request for 79 aircraft of all three models and docked at least a score of supporting line items by a total of $561 million. By contrast the SASC added $1.36 billion to buy more Air Force F-35As, Marine F-35Bs, and Navy F-35Cs, plus spare parts...."

Source: https://breakingdefense.com/2020/07/hou ... nding-but/
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Unread post09 Jul 2020, 00:47

https://appropriations.house.gov/news/p ... nding-bill

Aircraft

Funds the request of 24 F/A-18E/F Super Hornet aircraft ($1.7 billion).
Funds 91 F-35 aircraft, 12 more than the request ($9.3 billion).
Funds 12 F-15EX aircraft to recapitalize the F-15C/D fleet ($1.2 billion).
Funds the request of 15 KC-46 tankers ($2.7 billion).
Funds the request of 19 HH-60W combat rescue helicopters ($1.1 billion).
Funds 11 C/KC/MC-130J aircraft, 2 more than the request ($965 million).
Funds 16 MQ-9 Reaper air vehicles, 16 more than the request ($344 million).
Funds the first five CH-47F Block II Chinook aircraft and long-lead funding for the second five CH-47F Block II Chinook aircraft to ensure that the Army stays on schedule with the program of record ($227 million).
Provides $141 million above the request to fund a total of 42 UH/HH-60M Blackhawk helicopters ($866 million).
Funds the requested 50 remanufactured AH-64 Apache helicopters ($792 million).
Funds eleven V-22 aircraft, two more than the request ($1.1 billion).
Funds three P-8A Poseidon aircraft for the Navy Reserve, three more than the request ($510 million).
Funds five E-2D Advanced Hawkeye aircraft, one more than the request ($791 million).
Funds nine CH-53K helicopters, two more than the request ($1.05 billion).
Funds a new start for SOCOM’s Armed Overwatch Program.

Shipbuilding

Provides $22.3 billion to procure nine Navy ships, $2.4 billion above the request.
Funds are provided for two DDG-51 guided missile destroyers, the initial Columbia Class submarine, two SSN-774 attack submarines, one Frigate, one LPD-17 Flight II, and two towing, salvage, and rescue ships.


Draft bill which doesn't say much.
https://appropriations.house.gov/sites/ ... pprops.pdf
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Unread post09 Jul 2020, 04:31

The USN still need a good "30" F-35C each year. Yet, getting closer all of the time........ 8)
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Unread post09 Jul 2020, 10:05

Looking at both versions of the bills from Senate & house
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... /4049/text

Not that far off in terms of F-35 (95 vs 91).
Both fund F-15EX.
Both are funding the F-18.

No issues this year.
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