New F-35 Block Buy is Close, Lockheed Says

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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 12:25

Corsair1963 wrote:
hornetfinn wrote:Wow, that is going to make F-35 really interesting for those countries acquiring new fighters circa 2025 or so. These include Finland, Canada, Greece, Spain, Switzerland and Romania. Probably some others also and of course existing users might find it easier to buy more also. I predict that total production numbers of F-35 might get very close to that of F-16.



France is putting considerable pressure on Spain "not" to buy the F-35. Yet, with such a respectable price. They may not be able to resist....

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Sure thing, but Spain will need aircraft for Juan Carlos I and Rafale M is not going to work there. So they'll need to buy F-35B for it or keep using ancient AV-8Bs. That naturally makes it slightly easier for Spanish Air Force to get F-35A. I think SAF is really interested in F-35, but of course politicians may prefer other options.
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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 19:55

Can anyone explain what more than expenses regardig Turkey goes into this extra that is added to the US planes?

Documents provided by Lockheed Martin, however, indicated that the actual prices would increase due to “Congressional plus-ups and other contractual settlements.” These adjusted prices for the A, B, and C models are $89.3 million, $115.5 million and $108.8 million, respectively, the company said. Some of these are US-government-covered costs for the expulsion of Turkey from the F-35 partnership program. Turkey makes nearly 1,000 parts for the F-35, and will continue to do so until March of next year, Lord said, adding that Turkey is a reliable supplier.

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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 20:11

To say "I don't understand" is an over & under sideways down statement. Perhaps this oldie report makes sense for it all?
Massive F-35 deal covers production into 2023
15 Nov 2018 Greg Waldron

“Lockheed Martin has won a $22.7 billion contract to supply 255 F-35 Lightning II fighters for the three branches of the US armed services and international operators. The contract covers 106 F-35s for the USA, comprising 64 F-35As for the air force, 26 F-35Bs for the marines, and 16 F-35Cs for the navy, a US Department of Defense contract announcement states.

In addition, 71 F-35As and 18 F-35Bs will go to international programme participants, and 60 F-35As to customers under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) process.

Lockheed receives an initial installment of $6 billion upon signing. The announcement states that the US aircraft will come from production lot 12. It does not state the production lot for the F-35s destined for the international participants and FMS buyers.

A rough calculation pegs the average cost per aircraft at $89 million. The deal covers F-35 production into 2023....

...The award follows drawn-out negotiations between the Department of Defense and Lockheed to lower the aircraft’s price. In September, the two parties signed a landmark deal that lowered the price of F-35As procured in low rate initial production (LRIP) lot 11 to $89.2 million, dropping below $90 million for the first time, and 5.4% better than the previous production lot.

The September deal saw the unit prices of the short-take-off vertical-landing (STOVL) F-35B drop 5.7% to $116 million, and the carrier capable F-35C’s 11.1% to $108 million. Deliveries under the September agreement commence in 2019
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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 22:57

pron wrote:
Documents provided by Lockheed Martin, however, indicated that the actual prices would increase due to “Congressional plus-ups and other contractual settlements.” These adjusted prices for the A, B, and C models are $89.3 million, $115.5 million and $108.8 million, respectively, the company said.


Those figures are the final LRIP 11 prices; early LRIP 11 prices were slightly different.

You can check this by computing the percentage cost decrease between the final LRIP 11 prices and
LRIP 14: should be the same as column 5 ("% Reduction From Lot 11").

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/pentagon-and-lockheed-martin-reach-agreement-reducing-f-35a-cost-by-12-8-percent-300947292.html
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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 23:33

:roll: :mrgreen: :twisted: :shock: :devil: Madness takes its toll - Lets do the F-35 timewalk/LRIP pricewarp again. :devil: :shock: :twisted: :mrgreen: :roll: Jump to the...?

They almost play DEAD ANTS at the end....

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Unread post31 Oct 2019, 05:05

One more time - with feeling... [TURKEY TURKEY - where art thou TURKEY?!]
In newly inked deal, F-35 price falls to $78 million a copy
29 Oct 2019 Valerie Insinna

"...Neither [Pentagon acquisition head Ellen] Lord nor Lt. Gen. Eric Fick, the Pentagon’s F-35 program executive, could explain why the size of the Lot 12 buy had dwindled from the 157 jets announced in June as part of the handshake deal to 149 jets in the definitized agreement.

However, it’s likely that the decrease is due to Turkey’s removal from the program. After the handshake agreement was announced, a source with knowledge of the deal told Defense News that it included Turkish jets to the order of about five to 10 F-35s per lot.

The Pentagon announced the contract definitization on Monday, awarding Lockheed Martin a $7 billion modification to a previous contract vehicle for the F-35. The Defense Department previously obligated funding to Lockheed through undefinitized contracts for about 255 aircraft, Fick said.

The award, which comprises some Lot 12 jets as well as Lot 13 planes added by Congress in the fiscal 2019 budget, includes 114 F-35s:

• 48 F-35As for the U.S. Air Force
• 20 F-35Bs for the U.S. Marine Corps
• Nine F-35Cs for the U.S. Navy
• 12 F-35As for Norway
• 15 F-35As for Australia
• Eight F-35As and two F-35Bs for Italy
• Funds for obsolescent parts, software data loads, critical safety items, nonrecurring and recurring engineering, and the Joint Strike Fighter Airborne Data Emulator.

“We are still left, then with about 100 aircraft to go and about another $7 billion to go associated with the work to be done for U.S. services in accordance with the [FY20 budget],” Fick said. “We don’t have that budget yet. We can’t make that contract award for the final aircraft until such time as we have this new statutory authority to do so.”

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Unread post31 Oct 2019, 05:41

Significant Price Reduction for Our New F-35 Fighter Aircraft Over the Next Few Years

(Source: Norwegian Ministry of Defence; issued Oct. 29, 2019)

(Unofficial translation by Defense-Aerospace.com)


A new agreement between the F-35 multinational program office and aircraft manufacturer Lockheed Martin means that the unit price for the Norwegian F-35 fighter jets will fall by about 10 percent.

“The unit price for the F-35 is thus below our previous forecasts. Cost-reduction measures, good negotiations and cooperation in a partnership are now showing results. This is very positive and strengthens our confidence in this acquisition,” said Defense Minister Frank Bakke-Jensen.

“The fighter jets are delivered on time, with better performance than expected and with a lower unit price than planned,” he added.

The average unit price for the next 18 fighter aircraft Norway will have in the next three years will be approximately US $ 81.6 million. The planes that landed on Ørland in September this year had a unit price of US $ 90.2 million.

Lower unit prices on our next fighter aircraft

Thanks to the negotiations that the multinational partnership has conducted with Lockheed Martin and Pratt & Whitney, we have achieved significantly lower unit prices than was estimated. The Norwegian airplanes are about $ 1.5 million more expensive than the US fighter jets: This is due to the installation of Norwegian software, Norwegian brands on the aircraft, and the Norwegian aircraft having a brake chute.

The contract includes a total of 478 F-35 fighter aircraft for production Lots 12, 13 and 14. Of these, 18 are for Norway. The value of the contract is about $ 34 billion. Through the processing of Prop. 1 S (2015-2016) and Prop. 1 S (2016-2017), Norway was authorized to order the production series 12-14 as a single order in order to reduce the unit price for the aircraft.

“I am very pleased that, in negotiations with our partner countries, we have managed to achieve the goal of further cutting unit costs on fighter aircraft. This shows the benefit of being part of a great partnership,” says Bakke-Jensen.

Evolution of prices over time

The first aircraft delivered to Norway in 2015 had a unit price of $114.1 million and the planes that landed in Ørland in September this year had a unit price of $90.2 million. The Norwegian unit prices for the next three production lots amount to an average of $81.6 million. The price includes aircraft and engine.

In November 2017, the first three F-35 fighters landed on Norwegian soil. In total, Norway has now received 22 F-35. Of these, 15 are operating from Orland, while seven are stationed at Luke Air Force Base in the United States for educational purposes.

Defense is expected to achieve its first operational capability with the F-35 by the end of 2019. By 2022, the F-35 will take over NATO's Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) mission from the F-16, where fighter aircraft will be on continuous standby from Evenes. By 2025, the F-35 will be fully operational.


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