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Unread post10 Dec 2019, 22:23

However it looks good by all reports - given earlier DOOM & GLOOM - however your point stands - it ain't over 'til it's over.
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Unread post11 Dec 2019, 02:46

Congress Gives Air Force 12 Extra F-35s; OKs Almost $1B For NGAD

Worried about readiness, Congress demands that DoD acquisition czar Ellen Lord undertake a sweeping study of "sustainment cost data related to the F–35 program."

WASHINGTON: The Air Force got authorization in the new NDAA for an extra $1 billion for 12 additional F-35As, but the new funds come with a raft of oversight measures and new reporting requirements.

A summary of the bill’s language put out by House Republicans states that the new planes are “to address an identified Air Force unfunded requirement and accelerate delivery of needed 5th generation capability and $440 million for the purchase of additional F-35s originally ordered by Turkey.”

Altogether, DoD asked for 78 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters in its budget request; the conference bill pumps that up to 90. The Senate version of the NDAA would have authorized 94; the Senate Appropriations Committee’s bill would have pumped the number to a whopping 96. The House NDAA bill authorized 90 — echoing House appropriators.

The NDAA agreement further provides “the necessary authority for buying F-35 long lead spare parts in bulk to help achieve better cost savings for the F-35 and authorizes buy-to-budget authority to capitalize on lower unit cost savings,” the summary states.

Congress also gave a thumbs up to 10 F-35Bs and 20 F-35Cs requested by the Navy and Marine Corps.

However, the lawmakers’ generosity comes with its own price tag. The bill requires a number of reports on the overarching F-35 program with an eye to increasing congressional oversight.

In particular, the DoD Comptroller must submit along with DoD’s fiscal 2021 budget request a report that provides:
◾An assessment of “the progress of manufacturing processes improvement under the program;”
◾A review of “the progress and results of the Block 4 Upgrade and Continuous Capability Development and Delivery Program and other follow-on modernization development and testing efforts.”
◾An assessment of the DoD’s “schedule for delivering software upgrades in six month, scheduled increments.”
◾A review of the “progress and results of any other significant hardware development and fielding efforts necessary for the F–35 Block 4 Upgrade and Continuous Capability Development and Delivery Program.”



In addition, Congress orders the Air Force and Navy Secretaries to jointly develop a joint service cost estimate for the life-cycle costs of the F–35 aircraft program and the Director of Cost Assessment and Program Evaluation to conduct another independent life-cycle cost estimate

With an eye to the program’s long-standing troubles with readiness and sustainability, the NDAA conference report demands that DoD Acquisition czar Ellen Lord provide Congress with a sweeping study of “sustainment cost data related to the F–35 program, including a comparison in itemized forma of the cost of legacy aircraft and the cost of the F–35 program, based on a standardized set of criteria.” no later than 180 days after the bill is passed. This provision was included in the House Armed Services Committee version of the bill.

The study must include a cost-reduction plan for operation, maintenance and sustainability of the aircraft; a review of F-35 “reliability and maintainability metrics” to ensure that they are in line with operational requirements and determine whether improvements can be made; and a review of the ALIS logistics system.

With regard to other major Air Force programs, Congress fully authorizes the service’s $3 billion funding request for the B-21 Raider; and its $1 billion request for eight F-15EX aircraft to begin replacing aging F-15C/D Eagle aircraft with a proviso demanding a comprehensive report on the program; and $2.3 billion for 12 KC-46 Pegasus tankers.

https://breakingdefense.com/2019/12/con ... -for-ngad/
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Unread post12 Dec 2019, 11:04

All round good news - but not final - as some may want to say. I am just gasterflabbered at all this US of A hoohaa meself.

House passes ‘progressive’ defense bill, 377-48 11 Dec 2019 Joe Gould

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/20 ... ll-377-48/
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Unread post17 Dec 2019, 16:42

Spending deal would avoid shutdown, give $738B to defense
16 Dec 2019 Joe Gould

"WASHINGTON ― The final version of the 2020 defense appropriations bill would pave the way for U.S. President Donald Trump’s Space Force, part of a much wider spending deal between congressional leaders and the White House to finalize federal spending and avert a government shutdown.

The long-delayed bill, released Monday by the House and Senate Appropriations committees, must be approved by the two chambers and Trump before government funding expires Friday, Dec. 20 at 11:59 p.m. It was not immediately clear whether Trump supports the 12-bill agreement, but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin was part of the negotiations for the administration.

The bill, consistent with $738 billion in defense funding for fiscal 2020, is part of a new bipartisan budget deal that fills in the details for $1.4 billion across government for the year. For defense, it’s roughly a $20 billion increase over 2019, but less than the $750 billion Trump called for earlier in the year....

...The new House bill funds defense procurement at $146 billion, an increase of $15 billion above the budget request. It contains $1.87 billion for aviation programs, to include 98 F-35 aircraft, which is 20 more than the president’s request; eight F-15EX aircraft to recapitalize the F-15C/D fleet; 12 KC-26A tankers; 24 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets; nine P-8A aircraft; and 74 UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters....

...House Democrats plan to split all 12 of the 2020 appropriations bills into two packages for floor consideration on Tuesday. Defense was part of a spending package including homeland security, commerce, justice, science, financial services and related agencies.

The federal government has been operating on a series of stopgap bills since the start of the fiscal year, Oct. 1, 2019. Because of the rules of a continuing resolution, the Pentagon has been unable to begin 79 new-start programs or 39 planned production increases."

Source: https://www.defensenews.com/congress/20 ... o-defense/
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Unread post17 Dec 2019, 16:47

Congress Announces Appropriations Deal
16 Dec 2019 Brian W. Everstine

"...The appropriations agreement provides the Air Force 14 more F-35As on top of the 48 jets requested. The service also would receive an additional $156 million in F-35 advance procurement funding for fiscal 2021. The deal also adds six more F-35s for the Navy and Marine Corps, for a total increase of $1.87 billion for F-35s. In all, the Pentagon would be funded for 98 F-35s of all variants in 2020.

The Air Force would receive $2.1 billion for 12 KC-46s, $850.5 million for 12 combat rescue helicopters, $215 million for MQ-9s, and $730 million for eight C-130Js to be assigned to the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve. It provides $985.5 million for eight F-15EXs, two of which are for testing, and $210 million to invest in light attack aircraft.

Source: https://www.airforcemag.com/congress-an ... ions-deal/
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Unread post17 Dec 2019, 20:07

With the US Congress practically throwing extra F-35's at the services... one would think they'd (someone, anyone...) just approve full rate production, y'know... to drop the price even more... :doh:
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post18 Dec 2019, 04:28

steve2267 wrote:With the US Congress practically throwing extra F-35's at the services... one would think they'd (someone, anyone...) just approve full rate production, y'know... to drop the price even more... :doh:




USN still needs a higher buy rate for the F-35C. As "20" isn't enough........(i.e. two squadrons per year)
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Unread post18 Dec 2019, 20:06

DO WE HAVE A WINNA!?
Senate Sends NDAA to White House, House Approves Appropriations Plan
17 Dec 2019 Brian W. Everstine

"The Senate on Dec. 17 approved the fiscal 2020 National Defense Authorization Act by a vote of 86-8, sending the bill to the White House where President Donald Trump is expected to sign it into law.

The bill, approved Dec. 11 in the House, authorizes a total of $738 billion in defense spending, up from $716 billion in fiscal 2019 but below the administration’s $750 billion request. The Air Force is authorized to receive $165.5 billion in the bill, a six percent jump from the previous year. Included in the many provisions in the law are authorizations for USAF priorities such as additional F-35s, C-130Js, and F-15EXs, among other aircraft....

...There are key differences between the NDAA and appropriations bill, however.... [all this somehow makes sense?]

...Another key difference is the number of new F-35s. USAF requested 48 strike fighters in 2020, while defense authorizers added a dozen more jets and appropriators added 14. The spending plan now heads to the Senate for approval. It will need to be approved before government funding expires Dec. 20, prompting another government shutdown.

Source: https://www.airforcemag.com/senate-send ... ions-plan/
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Unread post21 Dec 2019, 01:10

SHIRLEY this is good news:
FY 2020 Defense Measures Almost Law; Bills Contain Conflicting Language on FFG(X)
20 Dec 2019 Ben Werner and Sam LaGrone

"Just before leaving for a winter break, Congress approved the Fiscal Year 2020 agreements for funding and authorizing military operations while giving the Navy a mixed-message on how to build a planned new class of frigates.

The FY 2020 National Defense Authorization Act – the bill providing the military with guidance on how the Pentagon should prioritize $738 billion in authorized spending, along with requiring various reports – is scheduled to be signed into law by President Donald Trump at a ceremony Friday evening [20th].

The FY 2020 appropriations bills [ https://news.usni.org/2019/12/17/house- ... nding-bill ] – a series of bills combined into two larger spending packages passed by Congress – provides the military and the rest of the government with the funds to operate. The Senate passed the bill late Thursday…."

Source: https://news.usni.org/2019/12/20/fy-202 ... ge-on-ffgx

Pentagon finally gets its 2020 budget from Congress
19 Dec 2019 Joe Gould

"...There’s $146 billion for a broad laundry list of military hardware, to include $1.87 billion for 98 F-35 aircraft, which is 20 more than the president’s request, and eight F-15EX aircraft to recapitalize the F-15C/D fleet...."

Source: https://www.defensenews.com/congress/20 ... -congress/
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Unread post21 Dec 2019, 16:06

Wow! That's phenomenal! $19M each!
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post22 Dec 2019, 03:17

President Trump signs $1.4 trillion spending package, averting shutdown

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/budg ... g-shutdown

The bills did not refill $3.6 billion from military construction programs Trump transferred to the wall.
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Unread post22 Dec 2019, 13:51

98 F-35's is awesome news!

But we could have had 106, had they not funded the F-15X. BTW, what are we going to do with EIGHT of them? Surely someone can stop this now, before it becomes another "too big to fail" boondoggle?
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Unread post22 Dec 2019, 16:58

The upcoming 2021 budget will address those issues. Forgot where I saw it on the web but they said if the aircraft type is not relevant to a fight with China or Russia during the 3030 and 3038 time period then it will be removed from the inventory. Think it will be a more complex decision than that but it certainly would drive the procurement of F-35's over F-15's.
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Unread post22 Dec 2019, 18:22

Forgot where I saw it on the web but they said if the aircraft type is not relevant to a fight with China or Russia during the 3030 and 3038 time period


Now that's strategic planning. :shock:

(i understand what you meant, of course, but I just get this vision of a dark, dank one room office in the Pentagon basement with a sign on the door....Future (Really) Requirements. You've got to put those excess Colonels someplace.)
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Unread post23 Dec 2019, 01:47

mixelflick wrote:98 F-35's is awesome news!

But we could have had 106, had they not funded the F-15X. BTW, what are we going to do with EIGHT of them? Surely someone can stop this now, before it becomes another "too big to fail" boondoggle?



Honestly, I still have my doubts the USAF will ever acquire more than a couple dozen F-15EX's. Remember, it will be years before the "8" aircraft order today are produced and tested. Then by time the first squadrons is up and running. We will have a thousand F-35's in service. Which, are even more capable than todays examples. The Mighty F-15EX isn't going to look to mighty while being more expensive to boot. Also, during that time frame the US Defense Budget will very likely be in decline....
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