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Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 25 Jul 2019, 20:31
by marauder2048
Even the Army version of "night court" was limited by the fact that Congress, after praising the process,
merely, in several cases, re-re-aligned the funds.

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 29 Jul 2019, 03:30
by weasel1962
Reading the budget deal below. It would appear that the house appropriations version has passed and is now pending senate confirmation.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... /3877/text

It appears also, the senate will have to pass this week without changing it.
https://www.govexec.com/management/2019 ... ts/158711/

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 29 Jul 2019, 05:13
by Corsair1963
Writing is on the wall.......(for better or worse)

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 29 Jul 2019, 07:29
by wrightwing
Corsair1963 wrote:As I've said over and over. Future US Defense Budgets are very likely to decrease in the coming years. Which, will make the case for the F-15EX harder and harder...

:?

They didn't decrease during the 8 years of the Obama administration, and financial crisis. If anything, the rate of growth will be slower or faster, but real cuts aren't likely.

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 29 Jul 2019, 19:29
by marauder2048
wrightwing wrote:They didn't decrease during the 8 years of the Obama administration, and financial crisis.


I guess that depends on whose inflation indices you believe; NAVAIR's inflation indices (close to
what JPO uses for the F-35) for the Obama period were almost always higher (sometimes by 2x)
than the directives coming out of the Obama administration.

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 02 Aug 2019, 00:55
by weasel1962
FY 2020 and 2021 budget passed by Senate with a veto-proof majority. Trump was going to sign anyway. Now the politicians can focus on elections.

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/20 ... ary-boost/

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 02 Aug 2019, 05:20
by wrightwing
marauder2048 wrote:
wrightwing wrote:They didn't decrease during the 8 years of the Obama administration, and financial crisis.


I guess that depends on whose inflation indices you believe; NAVAIR's inflation indices (close to
what JPO uses for the F-35) for the Obama period were almost always higher (sometimes by 2x)
than the directives coming out of the Obama administration.

The rate of growth decreased, but there was stil growth .

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 02 Aug 2019, 07:07
by marauder2048
wrightwing wrote:
marauder2048 wrote:
wrightwing wrote:They didn't decrease during the 8 years of the Obama administration, and financial crisis.


I guess that depends on whose inflation indices you believe; NAVAIR's inflation indices (close to
what JPO uses for the F-35) for the Obama period were almost always higher (sometimes by 2x)
than the directives coming out of the Obama administration.

The rate of growth decreased, but there was stil growth .


Not to dwell on this but:

Even NAVAIR's figures, which aren't typically released publicly, understated fighter cost
growth during the period IDA analyzed. Full CER is the best fit for actual costs; OMB used GDP.


price-index-comparison-fighters.png


Unfortunately, I didn't see IDA's promised extension of their methodology to missiles,
ground vehicles, and submarines and they didn't extend fighter analysis to the late Obama
period.

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 28 Aug 2019, 10:29
by Corsair1963
Night court comes to the Pentagon


WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Tuesday confirmed his department wide review won’t be limited to finding savings from “fourth estate” agencies, but will potentially involve cutting legacy programs that are diverting money away from next-generation projects needed to combat China and Russia.


Speaking at the SENEDIA industry conference in Rhode Island on Tuesday, Esper touted the forthcoming review by saying he was open to “divesting of legacy capabilities that simply aren’t suited” for future battlefields.


“My commitment is to look throughout the DoD enterprise, beginning with the fourth estate, and look for ways to find money to invest in those technologies,” he said.


Asked by reporters on his way back to Washington if he was willing to cut legacy programs loose to fund future capabilities, Esper said, “I’m looking for programs that don’t have as much value relative to another critical war-fighting capability, absolutely.”

“I’ve already found money, and it’s just going to be a long process," he added. “I have a dollar amount in mind but I want to make sure I can refine it a little better before I can release anything.”

etc. etc. etc.

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/20 ... ium=social

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 28 Aug 2019, 23:12
by Corsair1963
Doesn't this sound like the F-15EX???


:|

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 28 Aug 2019, 23:16
by sprstdlyscottsmn
Maybe it means finally axing the A-10 and F-15C

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 29 Aug 2019, 00:01
by Corsair1963
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Maybe it means finally axing the A-10 and F-15C


Honestly, hard to cut either unless they replace them with another type. As Congress is not likely to go along with lost jobs at Air Bases. (all politics is local)

My guess is the F-15EX's would just be replaced with New F-35's. While, they will just hold on to the A-10 for another decade or so....

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 29 Aug 2019, 02:09
by marauder2048
Not sure the Air Force can really retire much of anything if it hopes to hit the NDS mandated number of squadrons.

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 29 Aug 2019, 02:32
by element1loop
... but will potentially involve cutting legacy programs that are diverting money away from next-generation projects needed to combat China and Russia. ...


This is so overdue, I hope it finally happens. In the end the US has to accept the need to shrink in order to grow new capabilities then expand their numbers. As those new capabilities are so much more effective at the high-end (as are high-end weapons and enabling of new tankers) it seems to me this is not being taken into proper consideration. What's the good of having A-10s or old F-15C air superiority squadrons (and their wasteful burgeoning maintenance and logistics drain) to make up the numbers in service if you can't use them in useful ways in the first few days of a high-end fight, and have them survive? The dead wood needs to be cleared away for new growth.

Re: FY2020 DoD Budget

Unread postPosted: 29 Aug 2019, 02:43
by Corsair1963
marauder2048 wrote:Not sure the Air Force can really retire much of anything if it hopes to hit the NDS mandated number of squadrons.



Sure could buy additional F-35A's to replace the F-15C's. At the same rate as the planned F-15EX.