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Unread post26 Nov 2017, 22:38

You want me to explain military bureaucracy? It's just DMV with guns.

Cost of medical? It looks like you too are a victim to this misinformation. I saw numbers saying it was insignificant mental health costs. Leaving aside, US not having a universal health care system to start with.

I'm taking a biologic for psoriasis that is costing our HCS $40,000 a year. An expensive rash.
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Unread post27 Nov 2017, 02:49

optimist wrote:You want me to explain military bureaucracy? It's just DMV with guns.


That's my problem.

Cost of medical? It looks like you too are a victim to this misinformation. I saw numbers saying it was insignificant mental health costs. Leaving aside, US not having a universal health care system to start with.


Well I just got done with 3 years in San Antonio TX which is kind of the unofficial military medicine training capital and I got the impression the costs were significant. But don't mind me.

Misinformation in this case being the regulations and budget allocations I guess.

You got me there. Here I am reading the official documentation like a fool. Here I am taking to doctors and working with the VA like a putz. So please tell me more about American military medical resource allocation. I'm all ears.

How about how the cost of medical, hormones, pre and post OP along with mandatory counseling and non deployable status. I would say that's not insignificant. But again you don't have to deal with it, so that's just misinformation there in the regs. They outline all the parameters but hey it's misinformation

Again when the main gripe is costs, getting personnel that cost you less money rather than more is key, especially as personnel costs are massive in the military and take up a large chunk of the annual budget excluding medical retirement and the VA. The other issue is the additional allocates personnel and commands that aren't counted in the "mental health" category. The numbers released to the public leave large parts of this logistical tail out. There is misinformation indeed but it's not on my end.

I would like to pay less for troops who do the job, not more for those who don't.



I'm taking a biologic for psoriasis that is costing our HCS $40,000 a year. An expensive rash.


All the more reason to cut costs from a military budget that is not sufficient amiright?

It's great to see that 2 of these 3 qoutes agree with me. That ain't bad

Bottom line, don't waste money then b!tch when they don't give you "enough"
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Unread post27 Nov 2017, 05:51

Group captian McGregor is probably our best known transgender and was appointed a Member of the Order of Australia in the Military Division for "exceptional service to the Australian Army as the Director of the Land Warfare Studies Centre"

I know there won't be a sudden realisation and the penny drops. I won't be surprised by a "Yes,But" response,

Just one years cost of the injection for my rash, will fund the operations and HRT for 25 years
My rash injection in the US (you have wholesale and retail prices in the US?)
wholesale price 90 mg/mL: $18,386.74 X 4 is $73,000 a year, each and every year for the rest of my life.

These seems to the facts.
medical, deknackered, then top, bottom and adams apple. $36.000-$40,000.
HRT $1,500 a year.

Viagra 3 a week $3,400 a year, makes HRT look cheap.

I used male, but my guess is that there would be more female transgenders going male, in the forces




article
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017 ... 4055fbca6e
operation
http://www.thetransgendercenter.com/ind ... -list.html
viagra
https://www.accessrx.com/blog/erectile- ... agra-cost/

rash injection.
http://www.rxeconsult.com/healthcare-ar ... itis-767/3
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Unread post28 Nov 2017, 01:12

optimist wrote:Group captian McGregor is probably our best known transgender and was appointed a Member of the Order of Australia in the Military Division for "exceptional service to the Australian Army as the Director of the Land Warfare Studies Centre"

I know there won't be a sudden realisation and the penny drops. I won't be surprised by a "Yes,But" response,

Just one years cost of the injection for my rash, will fund the operations and HRT for 25 years
My rash injection in the US (you have wholesale and retail prices in the US?)
wholesale price 90 mg/mL: $18,386.74 X 4 is $73,000 a year, each and every year for the rest of my life.

These seems to the facts.
medical, deknackered, then top, bottom and adams apple. $36.000-$40,000.
HRT $1,500 a year.

Viagra 3 a week $3,400 a year, makes HRT look cheap.

I used male, but my guess is that there would be more female transgenders going male, in the forces




article
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017 ... 4055fbca6e
operation
http://www.thetransgendercenter.com/ind ... -list.html
viagra
https://www.accessrx.com/blog/erectile- ... agra-cost/

rash injection.
http://www.rxeconsult.com/healthcare-ar ... itis-767/3


we go by what the official documents say not what Forbes writes. Not what the transgender center says

You aren't privy to the info that I am. I hate to play that card but I'm playing it nonetheless. It's more expensive than what people are publishing.

Which should not surprise us as we watch the media screw up the costs with the F-35 nearly everyday. But surely they got this right. Surely
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Unread post28 Nov 2017, 14:25

I'll put it as simply as I can.

I don't think its very fair to spend over a half trillion dollars on the military annually, up the spending by 3.5 percent and still have people like Tincan beating the drum that its not enough, because our equipment is thrashed, our training is dropping, and all manner of "holy hell the sky is falling!" (and it is) And in the next breath shrug and say "meh but its ok to spend additional and unnecessary money and time on personnel issues that could be completely avoided. relax, the sky isn't falling, its only money and whats a few million here, a few billion there?"

On one hand you are saying this is serious, and on the other, you are saying its not serious.

Let me put it another way that even the most basic narrative follower can grasp "We dont have money for A-10s which save the ground troops but we have money for a vaginaplasty on a 19 years old sailor"

Hmm, well what you spend your money on is what you value. Needless to say what the US navy spends on this is nothing near what the civilian world does. Its far more expensive and goes well beyond just the surgery. A lot of people lets call them "liars" or "Ignorant" just to be nice-- are quoting only a fraction of the costs.

There are things I can say and things I can't. But one of the things you can look up are the official navy regulations and its mind blowing. Even the Navy is having a hard time trying to make its own regs make sense. Optomist accused me of being "misinformed" and frankly I'm a tad insulted. I'm not reading the headlines I'm watching it unfold first hand. and yes I'm a little offended that someone who is thousands of miles away is telling me how things are. You don't understand how the military works. You aren't here, I like that I am misinformed even though Ive been dealing with this first hand.

We are wasting money. we are wasting time, we are wasting good people. I can't say I have much sympathy for an organization that spends 700 billion a year and wastes large sums of it unnecessarily then complains to me about how it doesn't have enough for troop training. And I'm a very pro military person obviously, but even I have my limits.

The military is not an equal opportunity employer and the military is not obligated to tolerate personnel that cost them more than they are worth.

This isn't a charity.
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