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Unread post26 Aug 2020, 06:55

Many Many Dummy Spits [contretemps] herein:
Scoop: UAE cancels Israel meeting after Netanyahu opposes 24 Aug 2020 Barak Ravid
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Unread post15 Sep 2020, 16:27

fwiw...
Trump: ‘No problem’ selling F-35 jets to UAE
15 Sep 2020 Joe Gould

"WASHINGTON ― U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he personally would have “no problem” selling the advanced F-35 fighter jet to the United Arab Emirates, despite objections from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “I would have no problem in selling them the F-35, I would have absolutely no problem,” Trump told Fox News in an interview ahead of a signing ceremony at the White House for agreements normalizing relations between Israel, the UAE and Bahrain later on Tuesday.

Trump also said he would be willing to sell other Middle Eastern countries the same weapons systems sold to Israel. He noted the region’s wealth and said it would be good for the United States and American jobs. “They’re very wealthy countries for the most part, like the UAE, and they would like to buy the fighter jets, and I personally would have no problem with it,” Trump said. “Some people do, they say maybe they go to war.”

Trump affirmed that his strategy is to forge pacts with other Mideastern nations in an effort to push the Palestinians toward negotiating a peace deal with Israel. Even though Trump favors the sales, there’s no guarantee they would happen. The F-35 sale, a longtime request from Abu Dhabi, is not written into the UAE-Israel deal, Emirati Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash told reporters Monday...."

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Unread post16 Sep 2020, 03:17

This clearly would open the door wide. For other Gulf States to also acquire the F-35....(Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc.)
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Unread post23 Sep 2020, 01:24

This thread is the proper place for the UAE F-35A FUD article - REUTERS is no longer a good source as far as I'm concerned.
Exclusive: U.S. eyes December agreement on F-35 jets with UAE - sources
22 Sep 2020 Mike Stone

"...Sources familiar with the negotiations said a working idea was for Israeli air defenses to be able to detect the UAE F-35s with technology that effectively defeats the stealth capabilities of the jets.

F-35 fighter jets sold to the United Arab Emirates could also be built in a way that ensures the same planes owned by Israel outperform any others sold in the region, defense experts say.

Washington already demands that any F-35 sold to foreign governments cannot match the performance of U.S. jets, said both a congressional staffer and a source familiar with past sales.


The F-35’s technical sophistication is tied to its mission systems and processing power and “it’s the computing power that allows you to sell a higher tech jet to Israel than to the UAE,” said Doug Birkey, executive director of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies in Washington.

“When foreign pilots are in training in the U.S. they type a code into a user interface as they board the jet, the code will pull a different jet for each pilot based on legal permissions,” Birkey said...."

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-isra ... SKCN26D19T

The bolded BIG part is just hogwash. Why is not the source for this bollocks revealed? BECAUSE IT IS BOLLOCKS. Differences in all the F-35s so far come about because of the BLOCK standard when built during LRIP. However if required all the aircraft can be upgraded to the latest standard - soon to be BLOCK IV - either at depot or upgrade kits at site.

Over the long years I've seen so called 'congressional sources' be quoted as saying some really stupid stuff because they are political operatives - not experts on military aviation matters. REUTERS have been taken for a ride on this part of article.

We have seen articles about newbie F-35 pilots not able to start their aircraft with their personal pass code because of the ALIS problems so they have used their instructors pass code. This is public knowledge. IF these students are flying a mixed bag of F-35s then some may have different hardware/software combinations. SO they fly a standard configuration in any F-35 for the sake of their training. BIG DEAL. <sarc> My solution for disabling errant countries with F-35s is shoot the pilot, perhaps not to kill but to put him/her out of contention. No biggie - happens all the time. What else is new. <sarc off>

Countries buy the F-35 because it is the same everywhere so they can act in concert with allies with F-35s - the big one will be the US with a variety of F-35s from A to C and different configuration standards perhaps but all same same same.
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Unread post23 Sep 2020, 03:34

Amidst F-35 to UAE rumors, Esper pledges to support Israeli edge
22 Sep 2020 Aaron Mehta

"WASHINGTON — Amidst expectations that the U.S. will sell F-35 joint strike fighters to the United Arab Emirates, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper on Tuesday reaffirmed his commitment to maintain Israel’s qualitative military edge.

“The defense relationship between the United States and Israel has never been stronger. We intend to keep it that way,” Esper said in pooled comments ahead of a meeting with Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz.

“I do want to say upfront for everyone that a cornerstone of our defense relationship is preserving Israel’s qualitative military edge in the region,” Esper added. “The United States is committed to that and the Department of Defense is committed to that imperative. We will continue to support the longstanding U.S. policy to maintain Israel’s security.”

Israel’s QME is a congressionally mandated rule that, in essence, says Israel needs to maintain a military technology edge over its neighbors. The rationale for the language is that Israel, as a small nation surrounded by hostile states, needs an extra edge from its U.S. partner to survive. In essence, this has meant certain high-end weapons will not be allowed to be sold to states in the region, most notably Saudi Arabia and the UAE....

...In 2017, regional sources told Defense News the UAE was eyeing a buy of 24 F-35s; it is unclear if that number is still in play now. The UAE is looking to replace its 67-aircraft Mirage 2000 fleet...."

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Unread post25 Sep 2020, 03:28

BREAKaDaFence has a similar story (to one excerpted below) with this kicker last paragraph:
"...Last month, Breaking Defense reported that Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu secretly approved the sale before normalization of relations with the UAE was announced." https://breakingdefense.com/2020/09/sen ... ouse-push/


Top US lawmakers voice support for Israel’s military edge amid F-35 sale
24 Sep 2020 Joe Gould

"WASHINGTON ― Top Senate Foreign Relations Committee leaders Thursday invoked Israel’s qualitative military edge, signaling a complex path for a possible U.S. sale of F-35 joint strike fighters to the United Arab Emirates. At a hearing focused on Mideast issues, Chairman Jim Risch, R-Idaho, and ranking member Bob Menendez, D-N.J., highlighted their concerns to State Department officials over the possible deal. The two senators are key congressional gatekeepers on U.S. arms sales.

Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs David Hale, in response, said the State Department and Pentagon would vet any sale and “consult with the Israelis,” as well as Congress, before proceeding. “With all due respect, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist," Menendez said, “to figure out that if Israel’s the only country in the Middle East that has F-35s, that selling it to someone else no longer produces that qualitative military edge in the air.”

Israel is concerned the possible sale, which has been discussed along with a U.S.-brokered peace deal between the Jewish state and the UAE, would undermine Israel’s QME in the Middle East, which the U.S., under its own laws, must preserve. Reuters reported this week that the U.S. and UAE hope to have an initial agreement on the sale in place by December.... [then lots of hot air stuff]

...President Donald Trump’s senior adviser Jared Kushner’s secret push to sell the F-35 and other advanced arms has caused confusion and frustration among agencies and congressional committees that would normally be involved in such a sale but have been left in the dark, CNN reported last month. The arms sale talks have reportedly been led by the National Security Council’s senior director for the Middle East, Miguel Correa.

During questioning, Hale assured Menendez that any deal would follow a normal process. However, he could not directly answer some basic questions about the potential for F-35 sales. Asked whether the F-35 was under discussion, Hale said talks were ongoing about the UAE’s “security needs.” He said he was unaware whether the UAE had indicated a preferred timeline and a number of F-35s, or whether it had sent a letter of request ― a step that would begin the formal arms sale process. Asked what specific threats the F-35 would answer, Hale said, “it’s important that above all, we preserve Israel’s QME but also meet the legitimate defense needs of our partners in the Gulf.”..." [then lots more about QME etc.]

Source: https://www.defensenews.com/congress/20 ... f-35-sale/
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