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Unread post24 Apr 2018, 07:06

My guess is the Nations of the JSF (F-35) Partners would be real "up-set" if Germany selects more Typhoons. As they clearly wouldn't be capable of performing as a Tornado Replacement post 2030. (just not survivable)


Especially, considering Germany is shouldering less and less of the Defense burden for Europe. :shock:
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Unread post26 Apr 2018, 21:46

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Unread post26 Apr 2018, 22:11

Read some more HOOhaa here:

Lockheed tries to steer clear of German F-35 politics 26 Apr 2018 Sebastian Sprenger

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/20 ... -politics/
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... to-448062/
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Unread post15 May 2018, 18:30

This article and accompanying short video have some interesting details on the chronic unavailability of German military vehicles. In particular, there are only enough parts and weapons for four (!!!!) out of 128 Typhoons at a time and a major limitation of the Typhoon in German service is that its so-called Defensive Aids Subsystem (DASS) is a German-only model whose coolant supplier has gone out of business.

Unfortunately, the DASS pods on Germany's Typhoons have been failing because of coolant leaks. And the supplier for the part needed to repair the leak is no longer in business. As the rest of Eurofighters' customers are upgrading their DASS systems to the Praetorian DASS from the Italian defense company Leonardo, the factory for the part was sold—and Germany, which did not opt for the upgrade, is now left without a supplier.


https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... bat-ready/
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Unread post15 May 2018, 22:32

A big problem I have is that Germany assisted Russia in the transfer of critical net-centric technology when Rheinmetall sold them their version of Blue Force Tracker and helped them build a modern battle simulations center. Once Russia invaded Ukraine with the Annexation of Crimea, Rheinmetall was forced to withdraw from their contract with the Russian army.

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/rus ... orts-38015

Rheinmetall developed their copy of the US's Blue Force Tracker, called Gladius and fielded it with the Bundeswehr in 2012. We had been working on Land Warrior already in the early 1990s, and matured the system into a practical set of kit by the early 2000s. Blue Force Tracker was one of the main net-centric hardware-software programs that emerged from that and became operational.

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We then saw Russian troops with their own BFT in the annexation of Crimea in March of 2014, in the middle of the Rheinmetall contact with Russia.

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Russia has integrated this into drone interface, hacking, and cyberwarfare since asymmetric action makes more sense for them and everyone else facing US qualitative and quantitative advantages.

German aerospace and intelligence communities would be all over the F-35 so they could reverse-engineer as much of it as possible, and they have the engineers who actually know what they are doing to gain a better understanding of what's under the hood.

I would recommend letting Germany and France trying to develop their own 5th Gen assets over the next 15-20 years while we work on 6th Gen. It sucks that France has made their bed with Germany on defense. The UK was much smarter in all of this by being on the ground level of JSF.
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Unread post16 May 2018, 10:10

I pretty much have 0 hope for Germany buying the F-35. I doubt the F-35 would win even if Obama was still in office.
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Unread post16 May 2018, 15:48

Corsair1963 wrote:My guess is the Nations of the JSF (F-35) Partners would be real "up-set" if Germany selects more Typhoons. As they clearly wouldn't be capable of performing as a Tornado Replacement post 2030. (just not survivable)


Especially, considering Germany is shouldering less and less of the Defense burden for Europe. :shock:


It is frankly a stupid decision for Germany to acquire more Typhoons when most of their (current) Typhoons are not suitable for operational/combat duties (due to significant logistical/maintenance issues). But I guess Germany could increase the number of operational/combat ready Typhoons to a grand total of 8 aircraft (yay!!!! :roll: ) if Germany acquires more Typhoons :mrgreen:
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