The Turkey problem

marsavian · by **marsavian** » 14 Sep 2019, 16:54

Once upon a time in the West ... mighty F-35s were denied to this arrogant Sultan !

ricnunes · by **ricnunes** » 14 Sep 2019, 19:41

LoL, nice one guys :mrgreen:

How about changing this thread's title to something like:
- The F-35/Turkey saga as seen by the Dire Straits :mrgreen:

By the way and keeping in the "Dire Straits" mood, here's something that Turkey is failing towards NATO:

:wink:

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 15 Sep 2019, 05:30

NOT DROWNING - but WAVING - HELP!

Exclusive: Turkey's Erdogan says to discuss with Trump buying U.S. Patriot missiles
14 Sep 2019 Samia Nakhoul, Orhan Coskun and Dominic Evans

"ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said he will discuss buying U.S. Patriot missiles with President Donald Trump this month, saying his personal bond with the U.S. leader could overcome a crisis caused by Ankara buying Russian air defense systems.

Turkey's purchase of the Russian S-400 missile system in July raised the prospect of U.S. sanctions, and the State Department has said an offer to sell Raytheon Co's Patriot missile defense system to Ankara has expired.

However Erdogan told Reuters he had discussed buying Patriots in a phone call with Trump two weeks ago and would follow up when they meet at the U.N. General Assembly, which opens next week.

"I said no matter what package of ... S-400s we get, we can buy from you a certain amount of Patriots," Erdogan told Reuters on Friday.

"But I said we have to see conditions that at least match up to the S-400s," Erdogan said, adding that he was referring to the possibility of joint production and favorable lending terms.

"He (Trump) said: 'Are you serious?' I said: 'Yes'," Erdogan said, adding that he told Trump they would discuss it in greater detail when they meet...."

Source: http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/exc ... ar-AAHgsxD

element1loop · by **element1loop** » 15 Sep 2019, 10:19

spazsinbad wrote:NOT DROWNING - but WAVING - HELP!
... Erdogan said, adding that he was referring to the possibility of joint production and favorable lending terms. "He (Trump) said: 'Are you serious?' ...."

Source: http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/exc ... ar-AAHgsxD

"... But Big-Don, I'm good for it! ..." He was cap-in-hand to Putin for another soft-loan for fighters two weeks back.

Turkish President Says Russian Fighter-Jet Purchase Under Consideration - August 30, 2019 18:18 GMT ... alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin. "Will it be the Su-35? The F-35? Or the Su-57?" Erdogan was quoted as saying on August 30. "We are exploring what measures we can take for our defense industry, for our defense," he said, adding that negotiations will include obtaining loans and involvement in the production of military equipment. ... https://www.rferl.org/a/turkish-preside ... 38506.html

The man's hopeless.

marsavian · by **marsavian** » 21 Sep 2019, 13:13

S-400 to defend against own F-16 ?!

https://ahvalnews.com/us-turkey/us-turk ... gton-panel

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 23 Sep 2019, 12:47

He can have his Patriot's, but no F-35's. He's made his own bed on this issue, and now he's going to sleep in it...

vilters · by **vilters** » 23 Sep 2019, 13:24

He is on Turkish National Television daily in the morning, the afternoon and the evening.

It is called mass hypnosis. => Control the undereducated crowd with large spreaches and big words.
And when he shut off the microphone? He starts filling his pockets.

Everybody that opens his/her mouth gets a free tricket to jail.
There are more people in jail then in schools.
And what do they teach in school?
Exact, how great their leader is.
Tell something else and your jail apointment is made.

Pretty much like that other fat rocket-clown from the North Korea.

If Turky did not need the money from toerism? It would become an exact North Korean mirror.

botsing · by **botsing** » 23 Sep 2019, 15:01

vilters wrote:If Turky did not need the money from toerism? It would become an exact North Korean mirror.

Tourism is around 10% of Turkish GDP. Important but not vital.

Increased inflation and unemployment is a big factor is Erdogan loosing popularity.

vilters · by **vilters** » 23 Sep 2019, 22:47

botsing wrote:
vilters wrote:If Turky did not need the money from toerism? It would become an exact North Korean mirror.

Tourism is around 10% of Turkish GDP. Important but not vital.

Increased inflation and unemployment is a big factor is Erdogan loosing popularity.

Correct, but they are in the same boat as Greece, and to some extend Spain and Italy also.

Everybody works (in the black market) but few are registered workers and pay taxes.

Most are working, just not officially.

Add a ton of immigrants and prostitution and corruption and you are there.

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 10 Oct 2019, 07:16

https://amp-businessinsider-com.cdn.amp ... 5251%2524s

Trump reportedly offered to sell F-35 jets to Turkey in exchange for not attacking Kurdish forces in Syria

President Donald Trump reportedly advised Turkey not to invade northeastern Syria and offered to resume sales of the US's fifth-generation aircraft, the Lockheed Martin F-35.
Trump reportedly offered Erdogan "a really good package," in addition to other benefits and a presidential visit, a senior official said, according to a Washington Post report published Wednesday.
The purported offer marks a departure from the US's policy not to include Turkey in its flagship F-35 program starting in July.
The US granted F-35 contracts to several allies, including the UK and South Korea, but took Turkey off that list when it purchased Russia's advanced S-400 air defense systems

pron · by **pron** » 25 Oct 2019, 18:08

Turkey, Russia close to reaching agreement on Su-35 fighter jet sale.

Turkish and Russian officials are discussing the details of the sale of a total of 36 Su-35 fighter jets to Turkey, two months after President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's visit to the International Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS) aviation show outside of Moscow.

Sources added that officials are also discussing Turkey's possible involvement in the production of some components of the fighter jets, including its precision weapons and ammunition.

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/2019 ... r-jet-sale

Nothing does surprice me anymore with Erdogan at the wheel.

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 27 Oct 2019, 12:22

If this comes to pass, it's going to get real interesting..

SU-35's in theater with Israeli F-15's, 16's and now F-35's. For the first time, Israel will have a Syrian aircraft that can equal if not exceed (in some metrics) most of the fighters in its fleet. Now I did NOT say Syria has better pilots, nor did I say the SU-35 had a decisive advantage. But the days of Syria's Mig-21's and 23's being more of a nuisance than a real threat are over. They'll have a monster of an air superiority fighter flying literally next door, and will have to counter it accordingly. Fortunately for them, the F-35 will more than suffice, but undeniably - business is about to pick up.

This is a big deal..

marsavian · by **marsavian** » 27 Oct 2019, 13:58

Turkey is looking to buy the Su-35 not Syria.

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 28 Oct 2019, 01:17

marsavian wrote:Turkey is looking to buy the Su-35 not Syria.

Turkey is not buying the Su-35.... :doh:

marsavian · by **marsavian** » 28 Oct 2019, 03:20

Just like they weren't going to buy the S-400 ? Wake up and smell the Turkish coffee, if F-35 is denied to them as it is they will go Russian for future aircraft to coordinate better with their new S-400 as well as develop their own. Turkey is still technically a NATO member but in reality they are friendlier to Russia than to the US these days.