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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 06:10

marsavian wrote:
Most European NATO Members are more up-set than the US over the F-35/S400 issue


Only the ones buying F-35 which doesn't include Germany and France which is why they are building their own stealth fighter. Try getting sanctions through the EU without those two biggest most important members, it's just not going to happen. You really should update your cold-war view of global geopolitics as it is seriously decades out of date e.g. Germany is probably friendlier with Russia these days than the US under Trump certainly economically. You might get the brexiting UK onboard with S-400 sanctions but that's your lot in Europe unless Merkel and Macron both agree and they won't. French especially could not care less if F-35's stealth is compromised, more sales for Dassault fighters then ...


Keep dreaming....... :roll:
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 06:14

Dreaming is your department like S-400 suddenly being given up by Turkey after just being bought for the wonderful F-35. Now I know you are posting under the influence of this flimsiest of notions I will give your future posts in this thread the due attention they deserve, which is not very much.
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 06:48

marsavian wrote:Dreaming is your department like S-400 suddenly being given up by Turkey after just being bought for the wonderful F-35. Now I know you are posting under the influence of this flimsiest of notions I will give your future posts in this thread the due attention they deserve, which is not very much.



So, let's get this straight. You believe Turkey is never going to give up the S400 and acquire the F-35. In addition a major split with the West (Europe/US) will occur and Turkey will become an close friend and partner of Russia instead.


Please, confirm...
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 14:15

Lol, both have already happened in the real world, have you been sleeping in the past year ? Remember American troops had to flee the Syrian border as the Turks came hunting for Kurds, true allies don't shell each other while sweetheart deals with Russia are made time after time. Turkey is only in NATO now to prevent outright hostility to it as it certainly has done enough to deserve it, they are now interfering in Libya as well as unilaterally redrawing the EEZ maps of the Mediterranean threatening Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Egypt.
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 15:30

marsavian wrote:Lol, both have already happened in the real world, have you been sleeping in the past year ? Remember American troops had to flee the Syrian border as the Turks came hunting for Kurds, true allies don't shell each other while sweetheart deals with Russia are made time after time. Turkey is only in NATO now to prevent outright hostility to it as it certainly has done enough to deserve it, they are now interfering in Libya as well as unilaterally redrawing the EEZ maps of the Mediterranean threatening Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Egypt.


You have the order wrong American troops withdrew first, the Turks would not have made a move if the troops were at the border.

Yes it was not done the right way (if there is one) and shelling landed close to American troops.

" threatening Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Egypt" - nothing new for this region.
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 19:49

notkent wrote:You have the order wrong American troops withdrew first, the Turks would not have made a move if the troops were at the border.

Yes it was not done the right way (if there is one) and shelling landed close to American troops.

" threatening Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Egypt" - nothing new for this region.

Don't be obtuse. If they had left then no shells would have landed by American troops.
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Unread post23 Jan 2020, 19:22

https://ahvalnews.com/s-400/prospective ... turkey?amp
https://tass.com/defense/1110983

MOSCOW, January 20. /TASS/. More than 120 surface-to-air guided missile have been supplied by Russia to Turkey along with a regiment set of S-400 air defense missile systems, a military diplomatic source told TASS on Monday.

"Turkey has received two S-400 battalions, more than 120 surface-to-air missiles, as well as auxiliary equipment, spare parts and tools," the source said, adding that technology transfer, even partial, was not envisaged by the contract.

According to the source, the delivery and acceptance act was signed by the Turkish and Russian sides in Ankara in early December, giving the start to a 20-month warranty maintenance period.
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Unread post11 Feb 2020, 00:28

Where are the Turkish F-35's going? That's like a 100 planes cleared off the docket for sale.

Early deliveries for anyone?
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Unread post11 Feb 2020, 00:57

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Unread post11 Feb 2020, 00:59

sunstersun wrote:Where are the Turkish F-35's going? That's like a 100 planes cleared off the docket for sale.

Early deliveries for anyone?



Other nations have purchased the F-35 in recent months. So, I would "assume" they would get the Turkish Production Slots. If, the issue with the aircraft isn't resolved soon....

Some could also go to the USAF. Which, has placed additional orders this year... :wink:
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