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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 06:10

marsavian wrote:
Most European NATO Members are more up-set than the US over the F-35/S400 issue


Only the ones buying F-35 which doesn't include Germany and France which is why they are building their own stealth fighter. Try getting sanctions through the EU without those two biggest most important members, it's just not going to happen. You really should update your cold-war view of global geopolitics as it is seriously decades out of date e.g. Germany is probably friendlier with Russia these days than the US under Trump certainly economically. You might get the brexiting UK onboard with S-400 sanctions but that's your lot in Europe unless Merkel and Macron both agree and they won't. French especially could not care less if F-35's stealth is compromised, more sales for Dassault fighters then ...


Keep dreaming....... :roll:
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 06:14

Dreaming is your department like S-400 suddenly being given up by Turkey after just being bought for the wonderful F-35. Now I know you are posting under the influence of this flimsiest of notions I will give your future posts in this thread the due attention they deserve, which is not very much.
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 06:48

marsavian wrote:Dreaming is your department like S-400 suddenly being given up by Turkey after just being bought for the wonderful F-35. Now I know you are posting under the influence of this flimsiest of notions I will give your future posts in this thread the due attention they deserve, which is not very much.



So, let's get this straight. You believe Turkey is never going to give up the S400 and acquire the F-35. In addition a major split with the West (Europe/US) will occur and Turkey will become an close friend and partner of Russia instead.


Please, confirm...
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 14:15

Lol, both have already happened in the real world, have you been sleeping in the past year ? Remember American troops had to flee the Syrian border as the Turks came hunting for Kurds, true allies don't shell each other while sweetheart deals with Russia are made time after time. Turkey is only in NATO now to prevent outright hostility to it as it certainly has done enough to deserve it, they are now interfering in Libya as well as unilaterally redrawing the EEZ maps of the Mediterranean threatening Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Egypt.
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 15:30

marsavian wrote:Lol, both have already happened in the real world, have you been sleeping in the past year ? Remember American troops had to flee the Syrian border as the Turks came hunting for Kurds, true allies don't shell each other while sweetheart deals with Russia are made time after time. Turkey is only in NATO now to prevent outright hostility to it as it certainly has done enough to deserve it, they are now interfering in Libya as well as unilaterally redrawing the EEZ maps of the Mediterranean threatening Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Egypt.


You have the order wrong American troops withdrew first, the Turks would not have made a move if the troops were at the border.

Yes it was not done the right way (if there is one) and shelling landed close to American troops.

" threatening Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Egypt" - nothing new for this region.
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 19:49

notkent wrote:You have the order wrong American troops withdrew first, the Turks would not have made a move if the troops were at the border.

Yes it was not done the right way (if there is one) and shelling landed close to American troops.

" threatening Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Egypt" - nothing new for this region.

Don't be obtuse. If they had left then no shells would have landed by American troops.
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Unread post23 Jan 2020, 19:22

https://ahvalnews.com/s-400/prospective ... turkey?amp
https://tass.com/defense/1110983

MOSCOW, January 20. /TASS/. More than 120 surface-to-air guided missile have been supplied by Russia to Turkey along with a regiment set of S-400 air defense missile systems, a military diplomatic source told TASS on Monday.

"Turkey has received two S-400 battalions, more than 120 surface-to-air missiles, as well as auxiliary equipment, spare parts and tools," the source said, adding that technology transfer, even partial, was not envisaged by the contract.

According to the source, the delivery and acceptance act was signed by the Turkish and Russian sides in Ankara in early December, giving the start to a 20-month warranty maintenance period.
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Unread post11 Feb 2020, 00:28

Where are the Turkish F-35's going? That's like a 100 planes cleared off the docket for sale.

Early deliveries for anyone?
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Unread post11 Feb 2020, 00:59

sunstersun wrote:Where are the Turkish F-35's going? That's like a 100 planes cleared off the docket for sale.

Early deliveries for anyone?



Other nations have purchased the F-35 in recent months. So, I would "assume" they would get the Turkish Production Slots. If, the issue with the aircraft isn't resolved soon....

Some could also go to the USAF. Which, has placed additional orders this year... :wink:
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Unread post27 Mar 2020, 02:14

marsavian wrote:Lol, what deal would that be. Erdogan has already stubbornly chosen the S-400 over F-35 and its industrial participation. Defending against ballistic missiles he sees as more important than bombing a few Kurds stealthily. He's already threatened to kick the US out of its Turkish bases if there are sanctions which is why there has been none. Su-35/Su-57 will be bought and Turkey will become more sidelined in NATO but that is their sovereign right to run their foreign policy as they see fit, ATM they are just partners of convenience in NATO as the US likes their bases there and Turkey likes Article 5 protection.


S400 was bought to protect Erdogan and his palace from another 2016 Coup situation.

Erdogan thinks he'll be a Sultan and will sacrifice ANYTHING to ensure that little dream happens.

Oh and Turkey has sh*t down 2 Syrian Su-24s and a Syrian L-39, almost certainly with F-16s this year.
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Unread post15 Apr 2020, 18:39

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notkent wrote:You have the order wrong American troops withdrew first, the Turks would not have made a move if the troops were at the border.

Yes it was not done the right way (if there is one) and shelling landed close to American troops.

" threatening Greece, Cyprus, Israel, Egypt" - nothing new for this region.

Don't be obtuse. If they had left then no shells would have landed by American troops.


As I said they withdrew from the border. They did not magically disappear instantly.

Never said that all Americans troops left the country, actually the number of US troops in Syria increased and the total number in the Middle East has also increased by about 14,000.
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Unread post12 Jun 2020, 14:26

Turkeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN23I2DK
U.S. Senate panel authorizes $9.1 billion for 95 F-35 jets made by Lockheed
JUNE 12, 2020
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee said on Thursday it had authorized $9.1 billion to procure 95 F-35 aircraft in its version of the 2021 National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, an annual bill setting policy for the Department of Defense.
The F-35 jet is made by Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N).
The 95 F-35s authorized in the bill are 14 more than requested by President Donald Trump’s administration.

The Senate committee also authorized the U.S. Air Force to keep six F-35s originally sold to Turkey.

The jets were never delivered to Turkish soil because of a disagreement over Ankara’s purchase of the Russian-made S-400 missile defense system, which the Pentagon said was “incompatible” with the stealthy F-35 jets.
The United States kicked Turkey out of the F-35 program after its S-400 purchase.

https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/ ... -f-35-plus
Senate Panel Proposes Major F-35 Plus-Up
Lee Hudson June 11, 2020
The Senate Armed Services Committee’s version of the fiscal 2021 defense policy bill, if passed, would be a big win for the F-35, MQ-9, X-58 and the U.S. Army’s UH-60 replacement.

The panel proposes purchasing 95 Joint Strike Fighters, which is an additional 16 jets above President Donald Trump’s budget request: 12 F-35As, two F-35Bs and two F-35Cs. The bill would authorize $9.1 billion for 60 F-35A conventional-takeoff-and-landing aircraft, 12 F-35B short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing jets, and 23 F-35C carrier variants. The bill would allow the U.S. Air Force to use, modify and operate the six Turkish F-35s that were accepted but never delivered because Turkey was ejected from the program.

However, the committee is unhappy with how the Pentagon is managing the redesign of the stealthy fighter’s Autonomic Logistics Information and believes there is a lack of strategy. The F-35 logistics system will be a major driver for future sustainment costs and the panel is focused on lowering the fifth-generation fighter’s operating support cost, a committee aide told reporters June 11.
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Unread post12 Jun 2020, 14:43

What is the 'PLUS UP' c rap? Can one PLUS DOWN? Jeepers Creepers.
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Unread post12 Jun 2020, 23:40

spazsinbad wrote:What is the 'PLUS UP' c rap? Can one PLUS DOWN? Jeepers Creepers.


Yes. I have seen "plus down" used in Congressional testimony.
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