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Unread post09 Jan 2019, 20:44

That's truly some next-level comedy gold !
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Unread post09 Jan 2019, 20:56

viper12 wrote:That's truly some next-level comedy gold !


LoL! It almost makes Canada look good :mrgreen:
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post10 Jan 2019, 16:05

noth wrote:They've even suggested buying a transport plane such as a C-295 instead of buying new fighter aircraft "because that's more urgent to assist the Swisscoy (Swiss troops assisting in Kosovo) and delivering international aid or disaster relief".

Except that 20 years ago they voted against that proposal, calling it unnecessary expenditure.


well, to be fair, we still haven't got a transport plane, and if something happenes in the world, we have to politely ask our neighbours, if we kindly may use their transport capacities... even Austria has some C-130, which we already used. Even to supply our own troups we have to charter commercial planes. A bit embarrassing, IMHO.

and they (SP) voted against the budget, not because of the transport plane, but for other reasons. The SVP (right wing, which is always against anything which sonds "international") voted against the budget too, exactly because of the transport plane, and combining the two nays on the left and right hand side, but for different reasons, the budget got slammed. So, no transport plane. But not because of the SP, which would have been outvoted anyway, if they were the only party against it.

Some background about that voting (sorry, german only): https://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/parlament- ... mm/4416020
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Unread post10 Jan 2019, 19:32

Thanks for the heads up alex_f :thumb:
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post31 Jan 2019, 00:13

Maybe it has gone a bit under the radar, but New Swiss Fighter Aircraft is moving along:
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... 73762.html
(original in german only: https://www.vbs.admin.ch/content/vbs-in ... 73762.html)

Usual suspect have so far showed up: Eurofighter, F/A-18 Super Hornet, Rafale, F-35A, Gripen E.

The layout of the evaluation is as follows:
February - March 2019
- Specialists from Armasuisse (gov procurement agency) and Swiss Air Force test the aircraft in the simulators
- Product support audits, where "air forces of the producing countries show how the aircraft are operated, maintained; how the training takes place" (Eurofighter is trouble here because the Swiss list Germans as producers, which means Luftwaffe get to show off how they maintain those 4 Typhoons out a hundred :devil: )
April - July 2019
- Combat aircraft will be subjected to flight and ground testing in Payerne (air base). (Gripen E is in trouble here because how many operationally equipped Es will be available within the next three months?)
Second half of 2020
- Findings from the analysis and testing phase will be summarized separately for Armasuisse in collaboration with the Army Staff, Air Force, Army Logistics Base and Leadership Support Base(Führungsunterstützungsbasis?) in expert reports
- The technical reports also serve to determine the required fleet size for each type of aircraft (Which means the number of fighters purchased will depend not only on the price but also capability, just to forestall any 4,000$/hr posts)
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