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Unread post28 Oct 2019, 02:35

AN interesting TIDBIT of info from this FORD (or is it EDSEL now? :roll: ) story.
JUST IN: Navy Secretary Defends Ford Carrier Following Criticism from Lawmaker
23 Oct 2019 Mandy Mayfield

"...It will... take 18 months for the air wing to become certified, after which it can be deployed, he [Secretary of the Navy Richard V. Spencer] said...."

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Unread post28 Oct 2019, 17:43

spazsinbad wrote:AN interesting TIDBIT of info from this FORD (or is it EDSEL now? :roll: ) story.


I have an idea. Let's cancel the Ford class and start from scratch. Surely that will result in a trouble free class, in service earlier, cheaper, and with more capability. :roll:
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Unread post29 Oct 2019, 03:34

spazsinbad wrote:AN interesting TIDBIT of info from this FORD (or is it EDSEL now? :roll: ) story.
JUST IN: Navy Secretary Defends Ford Carrier Following Criticism from Lawmaker
23 Oct 2019 Mandy Mayfield

"...It will... take 18 months for the air wing to become certified, after which it can be deployed, he [Secretary of the Navy Richard V. Spencer] said...."

Source: https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org ... m-lawmaker


18 months is typical for pre-deployment workups for a CSG. The comment is somewhat confusing because SECNAV says airwing, but he is really talking about CSG pre-deployment work ups. Between PSA and when the FORD is in a position to start work ups, there are a myriad of inspections, certifications, and testing that is still required. Only after those wickets are jumped over can they start CSG work ups.
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Unread post12 Mar 2020, 08:13

Navy Assumes ‘Balanced’ Risk of Strike Fighter Inventory with Super Hornet Curtailment
11 Mar 2020 Richard R. Burgess

"WASHINGTON — The U.S. Navy is working to manage its strike fighter inventory by focusing on restoring grounded fighters while curtailing future procurement of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet after 2021, Navy officials said. The Navy is requesting 24 Super Hornets in the fiscal 2021 budget but has cancelled plans to procure 36 more beyond 2021....

...Commenting on the large amount of corrosion found on the first two Super Hornets inducted into the SLM program, James F. Geurts, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, said the Navy has added to the program “so that we deliver a fully mission-capable airplane out of SLM,” including phase maintenance checks, “so when we hand it back to the wing and the squadron, it’s ready to go. Previous service-life extension programs have just done things to the airplane but not taken advantage of the fact we had the airplane all pulled apart.”...

...He said it takes 18 months to get a Super Hornet through SLM, but his goal is to reduce that to 12 months. He predicted that by 2029 the Navy would reach its full fighter inventory.

The U.S. Marine Corps, having inherited many of the Navy’s divested F/A-18C Hornets, has 275 Hornets on hand to meet an inventory requirement of 143, said Lt. Gen. Steven R. Rudder, deputy commandant for aviation. “We have enough Hornets, we have enough [AV-8B] Harriers,” Rudder said. “The challenge for us is the transition [to the F-35] … to maintain a 20 F-35 buy a year — at least — so we can stand up at least two squadrons a year as we go forward.”"

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Unread post12 Mar 2020, 08:45

Now we need to get the F-35C buy up to at least 30 each year....
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Unread post13 Mar 2020, 16:07

Corsair1963 wrote:Now we need to get the F-35C buy up to at least 30 each year....



I agree, and am hoping that stopping the additional SH buys beyond 2021 is designed to do just that.

The Marines deserve new birds too, more like 30 or more for 3 squadrons/year. The Navy? They need to get the F-35C to the fleet ASAP instead of dragging their feet, which to someone looking at things from the outside is exactly what's happening. More SH's of any flavor (Block III or whatever they're pushing now) aren't going to cut it against China.

At least 2 squadrons of F-35C's (per carrier) will be needed, along with plenty of tanking assets. The only way you get there is to build more F-35C's. Yes, money is tight but that too should be in the F-35's favor, especially as time goes on.

And for God's sake, please let F/A-XX actually come to pass. Part of the reason we're in this mess is that the Navy decided to forego a true air superioriorty machine years ago, making due with "strike fighters". That works in low intesity conflicts and non-contested airspace, not so much when Chinese J-10's, 11's, 15's, 16's and SU-35's (nevermind J-20's) have something to say about it!
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Unread post16 Mar 2020, 03:54

mixelflick wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:Now we need to get the F-35C buy up to at least 30 each year....



I agree, and am hoping that stopping the additional SH buys beyond 2021 is designed to do just that.

The Marines deserve new birds too, more like 30 or more for 3 squadrons/year. The Navy? They need to get the F-35C to the fleet ASAP instead of dragging their feet, which to someone looking at things from the outside is exactly what's happening. More SH's of any flavor (Block III or whatever they're pushing now) aren't going to cut it against China.

At least 2 squadrons of F-35C's (per carrier) will be needed, along with plenty of tanking assets. The only way you get there is to build more F-35C's. Yes, money is tight but that too should be in the F-35's favor, especially as time goes on.

And for God's sake, please let F/A-XX actually come to pass. Part of the reason we're in this mess is that the Navy decided to forego a true air superioriorty machine years ago, making due with "strike fighters". That works in low intesity conflicts and non-contested airspace, not so much when Chinese J-10's, 11's, 15's, 16's and SU-35's (nevermind J-20's) have something to say about it!


You need ~ 30 F-35C's per year to field two Fighter Squadrons for each CVW's. Similar number per year is also needed for the USMC. (F-35B's and/or C's)

As for Strike Fighters in general the F-35C is more than capable against anything China has including the J-20 and forthcoming J-31. Now in the future that may change post 2040. Yet, not in the short term.
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