Commander Naval Air Forces wants more F/A-18s

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Unread post11 Dec 2016, 15:18

cosmicdwarf wrote:
optimist wrote:If 3f gives then what they want. Then I can't think of a reason to buy fa-18 over f-35 now. as the delivery will be in the same time frame, It must be politics

The part that maus ignored in the same sentence was that they also need them to replace current equipment. Basically they Navy wants more Super Hornets so they have more Super Hornets later as some of the older ones age out faster than they wanted.


Yep. Maus is making sure to try and pin this on the F-35. However it's the super Hornets wearing out faster than anticipated and the expense of the earlier super Hornets maintained. It can't be the navy'should fault. It just can't!

He must be great in relationships. Besides, the Navy is going to need more super bugs to tank
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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 08:53

Have we heard from 'maus92' about this? http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=98183
Aircrew Injured During Ground Aircraft Emergency; Naval Air Forces Declares Operational Pause for Super Hornet and Growler Fleet As always we wish the crew well and speedy recovery.
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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 09:26

https://www.navytimes.com/story/militar ... /82255406/

And, of course, the Navy is still chasing this pesky ghost.

Nothing scares Hornet pilots more than losing oxygen — and it happens all the time

The third time the high-pitched alarm rang "deedle deedle" in the F/A-18F Super Hornet's cockpit, it was clear that something with the air flowing into their regulators had gone horribly wrong.

"That's when I realize my lips were tingling, my fingers are tingling, and I'm like, 'S---, man, something's wrong,' " a Navy pilot recalled. "And the guy in the back's like, 'Hey, dude! My fingers are blue!' "

They had just taken off from Naval Air Station Fallon, Nev., when they recognized the blurred judgment and delayed reflexes caused by a lack of oxygen. Suddenly the pilot had to figure out how to land the $65 million jet on a cloudy day, in a rocky stretch of Nevada where mountains peak at 6,000 feet.

"So the problem is, how low can you go? And you’re doing this hypoxic," recalled the 1,000-hour West Coast-based Hornet pilot, who asked not to be named out of concern over his 10-year career...
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
CSAF Gen. Mark Welsh
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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 10:03

spazsinbad wrote:Have we heard from 'maus92' about this? http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=98183
Aircrew Injured During Ground Aircraft Emergency; Naval Air Forces Declares Operational Pause for Super Hornet and Growler Fleet As always we wish the crew well and speedy recovery.


"Ground Emergency" and "Injured" don't really capture how badly off those guys are right now. Keep them in your thoughts for a speedy recovery.
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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 11:06

35_aoa wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:Have we heard from 'maus92' about this? http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=98183
Aircrew Injured During Ground Aircraft Emergency; Naval Air Forces Declares Operational Pause for Super Hornet and Growler Fleet As always we wish the crew well and speedy recovery.


"Ground Emergency" and "Injured" don't really capture how badly off those guys are right now. Keep them in your thoughts for a speedy recovery.


Given that the incident has been reported to have involved a Growler's canopy and that the crew are critically injured, did this have something to do with the canopy-removal system?
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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 15:55

35_aoa wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:Have we heard from 'maus92' about this? http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=98183
Aircrew Injured During Ground Aircraft Emergency; Naval Air Forces Declares Operational Pause for Super Hornet and Growler Fleet As always we wish the crew well and speedy recovery.


"Ground Emergency" and "Injured" don't really capture how badly off those guys are right now. Keep them in your thoughts for a speedy recovery.



Can you tell us anything about them?
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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 16:21

spazsinbad wrote:Have we heard from 'maus92'.


Must have slipped his mind
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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 16:53

Ugh. Another bleeping mishap.

Military aviation is a risky business, even when there's no shooting going on. I hope that this incident drives home -- for some -- the reality that groundings in military aviation are not unusual, even in aircraft that are long past an IOC date or a Milestone C decision.

A few more families now in crisis during the holidays.

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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 17:54

XanderCrews wrote:
35_aoa wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:Have we heard from 'maus92' about this? http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=98183
Aircrew Injured During Ground Aircraft Emergency; Naval Air Forces Declares Operational Pause for Super Hornet and Growler Fleet As always we wish the crew well and speedy recovery.


"Ground Emergency" and "Injured" don't really capture how badly off those guys are right now. Keep them in your thoughts for a speedy recovery.



Can you tell us anything about them?

He probably isn't allowed to comment on the specifics, per standard protocol. The appropriate senior officer or PAO will make a comment when available. OPSEC would be a factor, since they grounded the entire fleet. This seems more than a "pause" for a safety meeting.

All we know is that it was a very serious mishap, and can only wish the crew the best, and a speedy recovery.
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Unread post18 Dec 2016, 21:51

wishing them a full recovery
my guess, ground incident and had to eject, canopy didn't separate and the guys went through it.
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Unread post19 Dec 2016, 00:55

optimist wrote:wishing them a full recovery
my guess, ground incident and had to eject, canopy didn't separate and the guys went through it.


Can we try not to speculate?
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Unread post19 Dec 2016, 14:32

it's a forum, it's what we do
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Unread post19 Dec 2016, 21:44

Navy lifts operational pause of Growlers, Super Hornets
"After Naval Air Systems Command and Boeing engineers investigated and identified several factors that likely contributed to the mishap, Naval Air Forces directed mitigation measures be implemented across the F-18 Fleet, since there are some similarities in the component designs for the affected systems in the recent Growler mishap," according to the release.

Once squadrons have briefed and incorporated the measures, which include changes to aircraft water-wash procedures and updates to Naval Air Training and Operating Procedures Standardization, normal flight operations may resume.

The Growler accident is under investigation.


https://www.navytimes.com/articles/navy ... er-hornets
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Unread post19 Dec 2016, 23:37

... which include changes to aircraft water-wash procedures...

what's this?
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
CSAF Gen. Mark Welsh
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Unread post20 Dec 2016, 00:46

Jets get bird-bathed on land and hosed down on carriers to remove sea-salt and reduce corrosion. I'm not sure how it would relate to what happened.
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