Denmark reconsidering JSF?

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Unread post15 Mar 2013, 05:02

In English:

Denmark Relaunches Fighter Jet Competition Mar. 14, 2013 By ANDREW CHUTER

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2013 ... ompetition

"...A decision on the winning contractor is set to take place by mid-2015.

Denmark originally sought to acquire 48 jets, but that number has been reduced to about 30...."
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Unread post15 Mar 2013, 06:06

Why is the Rafale excluded?
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Unread post15 Mar 2013, 07:59

Good question, what doe's the danes know that we don't...
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The statement from forsvarsministeriet (Danish DoD) clearly says that there are four candidates, F-35, F/A-18, Gripen NG and F-35.
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Unread post15 Mar 2013, 09:46

XanderCrews wrote:
:lol:

One things is for sure, if the F-35 wins it won't mean anything. However if it loses its a indictment against the entire JSF program, and another contribution to its inevitable cancellation

:lol:


Ain't that the truth. :D
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Unread post15 Mar 2013, 11:38

linkomart wrote:Good question, what doe's the danes know that we don't...
:shrug:
The statement from forsvarsministeriet (Danish DoD) clearly says that there are four candidates, F-35, F/A-18, Gripen NG and F-35.


I wonder if it has anything to do with France's invitation years back for Denmark and some other coutries to participate in the Rafale program? No reasons were given but talks failed and maybe there is a hangover lingering from those negotiations.
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Unread post15 Mar 2013, 14:46

spazsinbad wrote:In English:

Denmark Relaunches Fighter Jet Competition Mar. 14, 2013 By ANDREW CHUTER

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2013 ... ompetition

"...A decision on the winning contractor is set to take place by mid-2015.

Denmark originally sought to acquire 48 jets, but that number has been reduced to about 30...."


To me this sounds like a good excuse to never really get around to buying any jets. A lot of nations like to hold repeated contest for fighters it seems.
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Unread post15 Mar 2013, 15:55

bigjku wrote:To me this sounds like a good excuse to never really get around to buying any jets. A lot of nations like to hold repeated contest for fighters it seems.

I sometimes wonder that.

Maybe they should get a few JAS-39E/Fs, F/A-18F(Block II+), F-16 Block 70+ and F-35A. Everyone gets a 30 minute flight demo, 30 minute area flight evaluation route, and 15 minutes short-field landing demo. After which, the top two winners loans them 2-4 jets for training, and they return the one they don't want.

This worked for the F-14, sold after a 15 minute demo :)
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Unread post15 Mar 2013, 15:56

Most European countries have struggling economies, so spending billions on defense is a hard sale to many voters. In Norway the situation is better, but even there an investment in 52 F-35's is not done without a fair share of opposition. However, the three largest parties, 70% to 80% of the voters in a resent study, seem to be in agreement on this, so even if there were an election today this is not likely to change. The smaller parties on the left side have historical and emotional issues when it comes to defense spending. Even today one of the parties that is in the 3 party coalition government with the much larger Labour party suggested cutting the planned F-35 purchase in half, but this is just to preach to its own voters as there is no chance this would become official Norwegian policy. The same party, 3.1% of the voters, also want Norway to leave NATO, which is equally unlikely.
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Unread post15 Mar 2013, 21:05

linkomart wrote:Good question, what doe's the danes know that we don't...
:shrug:
The statement from forsvarsministeriet (Danish DoD) clearly says that there are four candidates, F-35, F/A-18, Gripen NG and F-35.


I thought I saw a copy that said the four candidates were the American-made F-18 Super Hornet (Boeing) and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (Lockheed Martin), and the European produced JAS-39 Gripen Next Generation and the Eurofighter Typhoon.
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Unread post16 Mar 2013, 08:37

So... when do we get the Canadian/Dutch/Danish workshares back stateside?
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Unread post16 Mar 2013, 08:55

gtx wrote:
linkomart wrote:Good question, what doe's the danes know that we don't...
:shrug:
The statement from forsvarsministeriet (Danish DoD) clearly says that there are four candidates, F-35, F/A-18, Gripen NG and F-35.


I thought I saw a copy that said the four candidates were the American-made F-18 Super Hornet (Boeing) and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (Lockheed Martin), and the European produced JAS-39 Gripen Next Generation and the Eurofighter Typhoon.


you're probably right.. giving 2 bidders' slots to the F-35 while assigning the third to a '70s vintage Hornet will raise a few eyebrows.. obviously a conspiracy between the Danes and LM. :D
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Unread post16 Mar 2013, 09:10

lookieloo wrote:So... when do we get the Canadian/Dutch/Danish workshares back stateside?


Back off!!! :) I will take it to Australia please.
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Unread post16 Mar 2013, 09:44

popcorn wrote:Why is the Rafale excluded?


This is partly conjecture/ fact/ rumor; Dassault seems to be really cagey at marketing the Rafale vs the F-35. They did not compete in the Japanese or Korean competition. They weren't too welcoming to the Canadians' request for information during the initial stages of the NGFC.

lookieloo wrote:So... when do we get the Canadian/Dutch/Danish workshares back stateside?


You can have them when we chose something else. Not before, as specified in the MOU.
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Unread post16 Mar 2013, 10:06

gtx wrote:
linkomart wrote:Good question, what doe's the danes know that we don't...
:shrug:
The statement from forsvarsministeriet (Danish DoD) clearly says that there are four candidates, F-35, F/A-18, Gripen NG and F-35.


I thought I saw a copy that said the four candidates were the American-made F-18 Super Hornet (Boeing) and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (Lockheed Martin), and the European produced JAS-39 Gripen Next Generation and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

:oops: Correction Reading from my side would have been in order.... :oops:

Just one bid from L-M and add in the bid from Eurofighter....
I stand corrected
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Unread post16 Mar 2013, 11:49

hb_pencil wrote:
popcorn wrote:Why is the Rafale excluded?


This is partly conjecture/ fact/ rumor; Dassault seems to be really cagey at marketing the Rafale vs the F-35. They did not compete in the Japanese or Korean competition. They weren't too welcoming to the Canadians' request for information during the initial stages of the NGFC.

lookieloo wrote:So... when do we get the Canadian/Dutch/Danish workshares back stateside?


You can have them when we chose something else. Not before, as specified in the MOU.


When does the "now or never" point hit for F-35 partners that are supposed to be building the thing, but don't think they need to buy it anyway?
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