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hornetfinn wrote:Corsair1963 wrote:Also, many seem to think the F-15I can carry a much larger external weapons load than the F-35A. Which, is not to the case at all....
I've seen this countless times. I think it's because F-35 is said to replace F-16, F/A-18 and AV-8B, all of which have significantly smaller weapons load compared to F-15E variants. People don't seem to grasp the fact that F-35A and C are very close to F-15E in both payload and range.
Likely, better because the Strike Eagle usually has to carry both CFT's and External Fuel Tanks. Which, quickly get's it up to the gross weight of the aircraft. Leaving not much room for Weapons.
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Israel to get 3 more F-35 jets on Sunday
Jerusalem, Undefined | AFP | Israel is to take delivery of three more F-35 stealth fighters from the United States on Sunday, adding to two which arrived in December, an army statement said.
They are among 50 that Israel has agreed to buy from aerospace giant Lockheed Martin...
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Jerusalem, Undefined | AFP | Israel is to take delivery of three more F-35 stealth fighters from the United States on Sunday, adding to two which arrived in December, an army statement said.
They are among 50 that Israel has agreed to buy from aerospace giant Lockheed Martin...
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IDF on youtube - the F-35i's during air refueling training in Texas
The IDF published this pic of the three F-35i's over the Atlantic ocean on the way to Israel
Note they carry US marking, Arrival to Nevatim AFB gonna be tomorrow afternoon
The IDF published this pic of the three F-35i's over the Atlantic ocean on the way to Israel
Note they carry US marking, Arrival to Nevatim AFB gonna be tomorrow afternoon
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Three more F-35 fighter jets touch down in Israel
By Judah Ari Gross and AFP
April 23, 2017, 8:08 pm 2
Sunday’s acquisition brings total number of ‘Adir’ stealth aircraft up to five, out of 50 ordered by IAF. Three F-35 stealth fighter jets touched down at the Nevatim Air Force base in southern Israel on Sunday, joining the two that arrived late last year. In total, Israel has agreed to purchase 50 of the fifth generation stealth aircraft, known in Israel as the “Adir,” or “mighty one.” Israel is the first country outside the United States to receive the state-of-the-art fighter jet, which is manufactured by Lockheed Martin. The jets are flown by American pilots to Israel. Upon landing, they officially become the property of the Israeli government. The state-of-the-art F-35 is poised to become a central pillar of Israel’s air strategy, a senior air force official told reporters last November. The stealth fighter is considered one of the most advanced aircraft in the world, capable of taking on most missile defense batteries, including the Russian S-300, which was recently acquired by Iran, and which has been used in Syria, where Israeli planes reportedly fly sorties. The first of these landed in Israel last December. There were no high-ranking officials to greet the incoming fighter jets on Sunday, unlike when the first two F-35s landed. That reception ceremony was presided over by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, President Reuven Rivlin, Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman and then-US secretary of defense Ashton Carter.
Over the coming years, the remaining 45 planes will make their way to Israel — a handful every few months. According to IAF officials, it will take months — but likely less than a year — before the aircraft is declared combat operational, as the pilots and maintenance teams put the jet through its paces. Israeli components will be integrated in the aircraft, which will be known as the F-35I. Among its main features are advanced stealth capabilities to help pilots evade sophisticated missile systems. The single-pilot jets can carry an array of weapons and travel at a supersonic speed of Mach 1.6, or around 1,900 kilometers per hour (1,200 miles per hour). A pilot’s ultra-high-tech helmet, at a cost of some $400,000 each, includes its own operating system, with data that appears on the visor and is also shared elsewhere. Thermal and night vision as well as 360-degree views are possible with cameras mounted on the plane. Once servicing and maintenance costs are factored in over the aircraft’s lifespan through 2070, overall program costs are expected to soar to $1.5 trillion. Israel is buying its first 33 F-35s at an average price of about $110 million (NIS 400 million) each, though the rest are expected to be slightly cheaper. US President Donald Trump has publicly has upbraided Lockheed over “out of control” costs of the plane. It is the most expensive weapons program in history. The company has said it will bring down the price in the future, as its production costs are expected to go down.
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Three more F-35 fighter jets touch down in Israel
By Judah Ari Gross and AFP
April 23, 2017, 8:08 pm 2
Sunday’s acquisition brings total number of ‘Adir’ stealth aircraft up to five, out of 50 ordered by IAF. Three F-35 stealth fighter jets touched down at the Nevatim Air Force base in southern Israel on Sunday, joining the two that arrived late last year. In total, Israel has agreed to purchase 50 of the fifth generation stealth aircraft, known in Israel as the “Adir,” or “mighty one.” Israel is the first country outside the United States to receive the state-of-the-art fighter jet, which is manufactured by Lockheed Martin. The jets are flown by American pilots to Israel. Upon landing, they officially become the property of the Israeli government. The state-of-the-art F-35 is poised to become a central pillar of Israel’s air strategy, a senior air force official told reporters last November. The stealth fighter is considered one of the most advanced aircraft in the world, capable of taking on most missile defense batteries, including the Russian S-300, which was recently acquired by Iran, and which has been used in Syria, where Israeli planes reportedly fly sorties. The first of these landed in Israel last December. There were no high-ranking officials to greet the incoming fighter jets on Sunday, unlike when the first two F-35s landed. That reception ceremony was presided over by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, President Reuven Rivlin, Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman and then-US secretary of defense Ashton Carter.
Over the coming years, the remaining 45 planes will make their way to Israel — a handful every few months. According to IAF officials, it will take months — but likely less than a year — before the aircraft is declared combat operational, as the pilots and maintenance teams put the jet through its paces. Israeli components will be integrated in the aircraft, which will be known as the F-35I. Among its main features are advanced stealth capabilities to help pilots evade sophisticated missile systems. The single-pilot jets can carry an array of weapons and travel at a supersonic speed of Mach 1.6, or around 1,900 kilometers per hour (1,200 miles per hour). A pilot’s ultra-high-tech helmet, at a cost of some $400,000 each, includes its own operating system, with data that appears on the visor and is also shared elsewhere. Thermal and night vision as well as 360-degree views are possible with cameras mounted on the plane. Once servicing and maintenance costs are factored in over the aircraft’s lifespan through 2070, overall program costs are expected to soar to $1.5 trillion. Israel is buying its first 33 F-35s at an average price of about $110 million (NIS 400 million) each, though the rest are expected to be slightly cheaper. US President Donald Trump has publicly has upbraided Lockheed over “out of control” costs of the plane. It is the most expensive weapons program in history. The company has said it will bring down the price in the future, as its production costs are expected to go down.
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Israel launches missile attacks on Syria
23 Apr 2017 Big News Network.com
"TEL AVIV, Israel - Syria has been rocked by a surprise missile attack by the Israel Air Force on Syrian army posts on Sunday. The bombing of the army posts follows a similar attack on Friday night, which Syrian government forces say caused considerable material damage....
...Sunday's bombing was believed to have been carried out by one of the two newly arrived U.S. F-35 stealth fighter planes which were provided to Israel by the United States last year. Coincidently, 3 more F-35 planes arrived in Israel on Sunday, boosting the number of F-35s in the Israel Air Force to five. Another 45 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters are on order for the Jewish State which last year secured under the Obama administration a 10 year program of annual grants for U.S. military assistance of $3.8 billion a year. Each of the F-35s is produced at a cost of $90 million making the total order worth $4.5 billion."
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The Israeli F-35s
April 2017
By Gideon Grudo
With stealth and electronic capabilities far surpassing Israel’s other aircraft, the F-35 will introduce massive advances for the IAF.
In December, Israel took delivery, through the foreign military sales program, of its first two of a planned 50 F-35s. It was nearly 14 years after the Middle Eastern democracy first got involved in the fifth generation fighter program. What exactly this advanced aircraft is going to do for the Israeli Air Force (IAF) is, well, open to speculation. Some things are obvious. The F-35 will be expected to secure Israeli airspace and accurately attack ground targets, for example. But according to defense experts and the IAF officer in charge of the F-35 program, the fighter’s capability and capacity are so new and untested in the region (or elsewhere, really) that time will show exactly what else the F-35 is able to offer. IAF is certain the F-35’s impact will be mighty. So much so, in fact, that the Israelis named the F-35I (for Israel) Adir. It translates as “mighty” from Hebrew and is derived from the biblical book of Psalms. Accordingly, when the first two aircraft landed Dec. 12, 2016, at Nevatim Air Base, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proclaimed, “Our long arm has now become longer and mightier.” In a January interview with Air Force Magazine, IAF Major Moti (the Israeli Air Force does not typically release the last names of its airmen), the air force’s program officer for the F-35, explained the service’s mood regarding the F-35: “There’s a lot of excitement.” While the IAF flies an arsenal of advanced fourth gen F-15s and F-16s, “this is the first fighter [that will offer Israel] stealth capability,” Moti said, and F-15s and F-16s simply don’t have the type of sensors the F-35s have. Compared to legacy fighters, F-35s will be able to safely enter threat arenas guarded by more advanced defenses and weapons. Moti said, “We need the advantage,” a reasonable necessity considering dangers such as those lurking to Israel’s north and east, including Hezbollah and Russian-armed Syria and Iran. There are 12 national customers of the F-35. Nine original partner nations had a role in setting up the specifications and procurement policies: Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, the UK, and the US. The three foreign military sales partners so far are Israel, Japan, and South Korea. Of the 12, some observers say Israel is the only country whose variant is unique. According to Lockheed Martin spokesperson Eric Schnaible, the company modified the F-35 for Israel in three main areas: command, control, communications, computers, and intelligence (C4I), electronic warfare, and weapons integration. Initially, the US refused to allow Israeli modifications to the F-35. The compromise reached involved not changing anything inside the aircraft, but allowing the Israelis to add capabilities on top of the existing infrastructure. State-run Israel Aerospace Industries, for example, is working on a C4I overlay for the F-35, with Lockheed Martin. “It’s open architecture, which sits on the F-35’s central system, much like an application on your iPhone,” Benni Cohen, general manager of IAI’s Lahav Division, told Defense News last year. “The F-35 Adir aircraft has also been provisioned to allow updates to EW and weapons interfaces,” Schnaible said. “The design of aircraft installations, power, and cooling have been modified to provide IAF the ability to incorporate indigenous weapons.” The types of weapons Israel will be adding to the F-35 are either classified or not yet known, and Moti wouldn’t confirm either. “It’s like a view to the future. We know we want to fly with Israeli weapons in this aircraft,” he said. “Because it’s so complex, we started working today on understanding how we can integrate future weapons.” The same goes for communications, the challenge being figuring out a way for the F-35 to communicate with the F-15s and F-16s it’s going to fly alongside. “We need to have Israeli communications,” Moti said. “The aircraft are supposed to speak in the same protocols.” As the F-35 is akin to “a flying computer,” Moti explained, “if you’re not speaking the same language as this computer, you cannot do anything.” Maintenance of the aircraft is going to be performed in Israel, at the Nevatim base. According to the Jerusalem Post, “Other countries that purchased the aircraft will have their maintenance done at regional centers, often outside their borders.”
Ahead of the Threats
In an August 2016 American Enterprise Institute study titled “The Strategic Impact of the S-300 in Iran,” author Christopher Harmer writes in the synopsis: “The deployment of S-300 [air defense system] components to Iran is a strategic game changer in the Middle East, giving Iran a significant strategic advantage against regional states and significantly complicating US air operations.” He adds: “Deployment of the S-300 in Iran means the US will need to recalibrate its current mix of airframes in the Middle East.” Harmer considers the S-300 “the most advanced surface-to-air missile system available for export to potential enemies of the United States.” The threat posed by advanced Russian S-300 series, surface-to-air missile systems applies equally to US allies such as Israel. For that reason, retired USAF Lt. Gen. David A. Deptula, dean of the Air Force Association’s Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, called the F-35’s stealth an “enormous advantage.” This is because, with it, Israel “will be the only nation to be able to deal with some of the advanced surface-to-air and air-to-air dangers being introduced directly to the north,” he told Air Force Magazine.
But stealth is “only one part” of what the F-35 offers, Deptula argued. The aircraft “needs to be thought of as a sensor-shooter,” he said. The F-35 should actually be thought of as an “F-B-E/A-RC-E-AWACS-35,” as it will integrate capabilities seen in traditional fighters, bombers, electronic warfare aircraft, reconnaissance planes, and special electronic and airborne warning and control system platforms. If a missile is shot at it, for example, the F-35 can automatically detect where it came from and the pilot can automatically target that location. Communications links on the aircraft will allow it to gather information on hostiles even while it’s still on the ground. After it takes off, it learns more. “No other aircraft that the Israelis possess enables this,” Deptula said. This presents a “paradigm shift” in IAF’s situational awareness. After sensing danger, the F-35 will then be able to synthesize the information, applying it and sharing it with ground, naval, and air units outside that specific aircraft. In other words, an airborne F-35 isn’t an isolated capability, but a pair of eyes the entire Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will now have to equip the given theater. This type of knowledge advantage is essential for a country having “no depth to fall back on” in war, according to Deptula, and a potential Iranian conflict is real. “We have to pay very close attention and hold Iran to the letter of agreement,” he said of the recent deal governing Iran’s nuclear weapons research. “History indicates they will take every advantage to break out of the current agreement or, as soon as it expires, to bring rapid production of nuclear weapons,” Deptula said. “Iran is an existential threat to Israel.”
Reinventing the Air Force
The introduction of a unique aircraft like the F-35 will affect the nature of communication and war planning within the IDF. “Now we are going to have a mixed fleet,” said retired IAF Brig. Gen. Ephraim Segoli. He served in IAF for 25 years and in 1997 studied as a fellow at the School of Advanced Air and Space Studies, Maxwell AFB, Ala. In Israel, he eventually joined the Fisher Institute for Air and Space Strategic Studies, where he heads the Airpower and Asymmetric Conflict Research Center. “The F-35 is bringing a new culture. It is a big challenge. Not just a technical challenge, like how we talk,” but also how airmen and other branches of the military will use information, in what order, and with what aims. Like everything else with the F-35, “time and experience” will reveal the potential advantages and limitations of the aircraft, he said. The dichotomy within IAF on the new aircraft is a conflict between efficiency and operational capability, the former necessarily detracting from the reality of the latter. The longer you test, the longer it takes to bring an aircraft to operational status. Nine F-35Is are expected to reach initial operational capability in 2017, according to Brig. Gen. Tal Kelman, IAF’s chief of staff, which will make Israel the first country outside the US to have operational F-35s. “The level of uncertainty is very high,” Segoli said. “It’s very difficult to understand the real potential of this system.” The amount of information the F-35 is designed to gather and disseminate to the rest of IAF and IDF may also change the way IAF operates within the IDF. “In my opinion, the air force has a very unique part in any campaign planning,” said Segoli. “It was not done and it is not done,” he told Air Force Magazine in a January interview, referring to IAF’s role in holistically advising on military campaigns. “The air force must understand [the F-35] is not just there to improve one, two, or three capabilities.” While the F-35 can allow IAF to penetrate threats now being developed, Segoli emphasized he sees no current threats the F-35 is capable of attacking alone. Rather, he emphasized the role of the aircraft in deterring those rising threats. If Iran is considering rolling out nuclear capabilities, the F-35’s ability to fly past the country’s surface-to-air defense system may affect such plans.
The Cost Question
US President Donald Trump implied in a December 2016 tweet he may reduce the number of US F-35 purchases, and if that happens, Segoli explained, the value of the F-35 will be further scrutinized in Israel. “If you sell less, there will be an effect on the price,” Segoli said. If cost increases, this might become a problem. Some Israeli experts are already questioning the purchase, not seeing an immediate need for the deep capabilities of the F-35 when considering asymmetric opponents like Hamas and Hezbollah. Lockheed Martin plans to bring down the cost of the F-35 to around $85 million per unit by 2019. If that happens, Israel may save $435 million on 29 F-35s. “Before [an F-35I] even shoots a missile or drops a bomb,” Deptula said, the F-35 program is bringing nations together. This he termed “the greatest strategic value of the F-35.” Many countries operating common equipment such as the F-35 “engenders common defense strategies” that then encourage those nations to partner and work closer together, Deptula noted. He called this an “enormous value” and an intangible—but said that if he had to think of it in dollars, it’d be in the trillions. Still, at nearly $100 million a pop, the $5 billion price tag for 50 aircraft is a sticking point for many Israeli civilians. The populace is aware that the agreements in place to allow Israel to perform its own maintenance on the aircraft will raise Israeli sustainment costs. It may be years before the F-35 program settles into enough of a routine for today’s questions about unit costs and planned inventories to be resolved. But whatever quantities and capabilities the F-35 ends up offering later, within the IAF there is considerable agreement that it’ll be “adir.”
The Israeli F-35s
April 2017
By Gideon Grudo
With stealth and electronic capabilities far surpassing Israel’s other aircraft, the F-35 will introduce massive advances for the IAF.
In December, Israel took delivery, through the foreign military sales program, of its first two of a planned 50 F-35s. It was nearly 14 years after the Middle Eastern democracy first got involved in the fifth generation fighter program. What exactly this advanced aircraft is going to do for the Israeli Air Force (IAF) is, well, open to speculation. Some things are obvious. The F-35 will be expected to secure Israeli airspace and accurately attack ground targets, for example. But according to defense experts and the IAF officer in charge of the F-35 program, the fighter’s capability and capacity are so new and untested in the region (or elsewhere, really) that time will show exactly what else the F-35 is able to offer. IAF is certain the F-35’s impact will be mighty. So much so, in fact, that the Israelis named the F-35I (for Israel) Adir. It translates as “mighty” from Hebrew and is derived from the biblical book of Psalms. Accordingly, when the first two aircraft landed Dec. 12, 2016, at Nevatim Air Base, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proclaimed, “Our long arm has now become longer and mightier.” In a January interview with Air Force Magazine, IAF Major Moti (the Israeli Air Force does not typically release the last names of its airmen), the air force’s program officer for the F-35, explained the service’s mood regarding the F-35: “There’s a lot of excitement.” While the IAF flies an arsenal of advanced fourth gen F-15s and F-16s, “this is the first fighter [that will offer Israel] stealth capability,” Moti said, and F-15s and F-16s simply don’t have the type of sensors the F-35s have. Compared to legacy fighters, F-35s will be able to safely enter threat arenas guarded by more advanced defenses and weapons. Moti said, “We need the advantage,” a reasonable necessity considering dangers such as those lurking to Israel’s north and east, including Hezbollah and Russian-armed Syria and Iran. There are 12 national customers of the F-35. Nine original partner nations had a role in setting up the specifications and procurement policies: Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, the UK, and the US. The three foreign military sales partners so far are Israel, Japan, and South Korea. Of the 12, some observers say Israel is the only country whose variant is unique. According to Lockheed Martin spokesperson Eric Schnaible, the company modified the F-35 for Israel in three main areas: command, control, communications, computers, and intelligence (C4I), electronic warfare, and weapons integration. Initially, the US refused to allow Israeli modifications to the F-35. The compromise reached involved not changing anything inside the aircraft, but allowing the Israelis to add capabilities on top of the existing infrastructure. State-run Israel Aerospace Industries, for example, is working on a C4I overlay for the F-35, with Lockheed Martin. “It’s open architecture, which sits on the F-35’s central system, much like an application on your iPhone,” Benni Cohen, general manager of IAI’s Lahav Division, told Defense News last year. “The F-35 Adir aircraft has also been provisioned to allow updates to EW and weapons interfaces,” Schnaible said. “The design of aircraft installations, power, and cooling have been modified to provide IAF the ability to incorporate indigenous weapons.” The types of weapons Israel will be adding to the F-35 are either classified or not yet known, and Moti wouldn’t confirm either. “It’s like a view to the future. We know we want to fly with Israeli weapons in this aircraft,” he said. “Because it’s so complex, we started working today on understanding how we can integrate future weapons.” The same goes for communications, the challenge being figuring out a way for the F-35 to communicate with the F-15s and F-16s it’s going to fly alongside. “We need to have Israeli communications,” Moti said. “The aircraft are supposed to speak in the same protocols.” As the F-35 is akin to “a flying computer,” Moti explained, “if you’re not speaking the same language as this computer, you cannot do anything.” Maintenance of the aircraft is going to be performed in Israel, at the Nevatim base. According to the Jerusalem Post, “Other countries that purchased the aircraft will have their maintenance done at regional centers, often outside their borders.”
Ahead of the Threats
In an August 2016 American Enterprise Institute study titled “The Strategic Impact of the S-300 in Iran,” author Christopher Harmer writes in the synopsis: “The deployment of S-300 [air defense system] components to Iran is a strategic game changer in the Middle East, giving Iran a significant strategic advantage against regional states and significantly complicating US air operations.” He adds: “Deployment of the S-300 in Iran means the US will need to recalibrate its current mix of airframes in the Middle East.” Harmer considers the S-300 “the most advanced surface-to-air missile system available for export to potential enemies of the United States.” The threat posed by advanced Russian S-300 series, surface-to-air missile systems applies equally to US allies such as Israel. For that reason, retired USAF Lt. Gen. David A. Deptula, dean of the Air Force Association’s Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, called the F-35’s stealth an “enormous advantage.” This is because, with it, Israel “will be the only nation to be able to deal with some of the advanced surface-to-air and air-to-air dangers being introduced directly to the north,” he told Air Force Magazine.
But stealth is “only one part” of what the F-35 offers, Deptula argued. The aircraft “needs to be thought of as a sensor-shooter,” he said. The F-35 should actually be thought of as an “F-B-E/A-RC-E-AWACS-35,” as it will integrate capabilities seen in traditional fighters, bombers, electronic warfare aircraft, reconnaissance planes, and special electronic and airborne warning and control system platforms. If a missile is shot at it, for example, the F-35 can automatically detect where it came from and the pilot can automatically target that location. Communications links on the aircraft will allow it to gather information on hostiles even while it’s still on the ground. After it takes off, it learns more. “No other aircraft that the Israelis possess enables this,” Deptula said. This presents a “paradigm shift” in IAF’s situational awareness. After sensing danger, the F-35 will then be able to synthesize the information, applying it and sharing it with ground, naval, and air units outside that specific aircraft. In other words, an airborne F-35 isn’t an isolated capability, but a pair of eyes the entire Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will now have to equip the given theater. This type of knowledge advantage is essential for a country having “no depth to fall back on” in war, according to Deptula, and a potential Iranian conflict is real. “We have to pay very close attention and hold Iran to the letter of agreement,” he said of the recent deal governing Iran’s nuclear weapons research. “History indicates they will take every advantage to break out of the current agreement or, as soon as it expires, to bring rapid production of nuclear weapons,” Deptula said. “Iran is an existential threat to Israel.”
Reinventing the Air Force
The introduction of a unique aircraft like the F-35 will affect the nature of communication and war planning within the IDF. “Now we are going to have a mixed fleet,” said retired IAF Brig. Gen. Ephraim Segoli. He served in IAF for 25 years and in 1997 studied as a fellow at the School of Advanced Air and Space Studies, Maxwell AFB, Ala. In Israel, he eventually joined the Fisher Institute for Air and Space Strategic Studies, where he heads the Airpower and Asymmetric Conflict Research Center. “The F-35 is bringing a new culture. It is a big challenge. Not just a technical challenge, like how we talk,” but also how airmen and other branches of the military will use information, in what order, and with what aims. Like everything else with the F-35, “time and experience” will reveal the potential advantages and limitations of the aircraft, he said. The dichotomy within IAF on the new aircraft is a conflict between efficiency and operational capability, the former necessarily detracting from the reality of the latter. The longer you test, the longer it takes to bring an aircraft to operational status. Nine F-35Is are expected to reach initial operational capability in 2017, according to Brig. Gen. Tal Kelman, IAF’s chief of staff, which will make Israel the first country outside the US to have operational F-35s. “The level of uncertainty is very high,” Segoli said. “It’s very difficult to understand the real potential of this system.” The amount of information the F-35 is designed to gather and disseminate to the rest of IAF and IDF may also change the way IAF operates within the IDF. “In my opinion, the air force has a very unique part in any campaign planning,” said Segoli. “It was not done and it is not done,” he told Air Force Magazine in a January interview, referring to IAF’s role in holistically advising on military campaigns. “The air force must understand [the F-35] is not just there to improve one, two, or three capabilities.” While the F-35 can allow IAF to penetrate threats now being developed, Segoli emphasized he sees no current threats the F-35 is capable of attacking alone. Rather, he emphasized the role of the aircraft in deterring those rising threats. If Iran is considering rolling out nuclear capabilities, the F-35’s ability to fly past the country’s surface-to-air defense system may affect such plans.
The Cost Question
US President Donald Trump implied in a December 2016 tweet he may reduce the number of US F-35 purchases, and if that happens, Segoli explained, the value of the F-35 will be further scrutinized in Israel. “If you sell less, there will be an effect on the price,” Segoli said. If cost increases, this might become a problem. Some Israeli experts are already questioning the purchase, not seeing an immediate need for the deep capabilities of the F-35 when considering asymmetric opponents like Hamas and Hezbollah. Lockheed Martin plans to bring down the cost of the F-35 to around $85 million per unit by 2019. If that happens, Israel may save $435 million on 29 F-35s. “Before [an F-35I] even shoots a missile or drops a bomb,” Deptula said, the F-35 program is bringing nations together. This he termed “the greatest strategic value of the F-35.” Many countries operating common equipment such as the F-35 “engenders common defense strategies” that then encourage those nations to partner and work closer together, Deptula noted. He called this an “enormous value” and an intangible—but said that if he had to think of it in dollars, it’d be in the trillions. Still, at nearly $100 million a pop, the $5 billion price tag for 50 aircraft is a sticking point for many Israeli civilians. The populace is aware that the agreements in place to allow Israel to perform its own maintenance on the aircraft will raise Israeli sustainment costs. It may be years before the F-35 program settles into enough of a routine for today’s questions about unit costs and planned inventories to be resolved. But whatever quantities and capabilities the F-35 ends up offering later, within the IAF there is considerable agreement that it’ll be “adir.”
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On page four of this thread the SAME article appears in excerpts - what is your problem? Search on author name ffsake:
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=29374&p=363608&hilit=Grudo#p363608
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spazsinbad wrote:On page four of this thread the SAME article appears in excerpts - what is your problem? Search on author name ffsake:
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=29374&p=363608&hilit=Grudo#p363608
...well, IMHO the article deserves more than that abbreviated blurb...so that is "ffsake"...next time waste your efforts on something that matters....
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Let us face it - you are just making excuses. As I have said a few times now I'm FORBIDDEN to excerpt more than 50% of articles and to excerpt those parts that make my point. Perhaps the same MODERATOR rule should apply to you?
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From spaz' quoted news article above:
From the DailyMail:
From the article (re-)quoted by Neptune:
I don't think there can be any doubt that one of the Israeli's first priorities will be to integrate their "domestic" nuclear capability with the F-35, thereby directly threatening Iran (or any other ME actor), S-300 not-withstanding. The Persian's aren't stupid, so hopefully they "get it" and a sort of MAD stability settles over the ME.
Israel launches missile attacks on Syria
23 Apr 2017 Big News Network.com
...Sunday's bombing was believed to have been carried out by one of the two newly arrived U.S. F-35 stealth fighter planes which were provided to Israel by the United States last year. Coincidently, 3 more F-35 planes arrived in Israel on Sunday, boosting the number of F-35s in the Israel Air Force to five. ...
Source: http://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/2529 ... s-on-syria
From the DailyMail:
Netanyahu threatens to 'destroy' anyone who threatens Israel and 'directs a hatred of Jews' towards them in Holocaust Remembrance Day speech
By Rod Ardehali 24 April 2017
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has threatened to destroy enemies of the Jewish state.
In a speech marking the annual Holocaust Remembrance Day, the former special forces soldier turned politician warned: 'Those who threaten to destroy us risk being destroyed themselves.'
At the Yom Hashoah ceremony in Yad Vashem, Mr Netanyahu said: 'Iran and the Islamic state want to destroy us, and a hatred for Jews is being directed towards the Jewish state today.
'From being defenceless people, we have become a state with a defensive capacity that is among the strongest in the world,' he added.
Netanyahu said the lesson of the Holocaust is that 'we must be able to defend ourselves by ourselves against all threats and any enemy.'
Adding this lesson guides him 'every morning and every evening.'
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4439274/Netanyahu-threatens-want-destroy-Israel.html
From the article (re-)quoted by Neptune:
The Israeli F-35s
By Gideon Grudo April 2017
... Accordingly, when the first two aircraft landed Dec. 12, 2016, at Nevatim Air Base, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proclaimed, “Our long arm has now become longer and mightier.” ...
... According to Lockheed Martin spokesperson Eric Schnaible, the company modified the F-35 for Israel in three main areas: command, control, communications, computers, and intelligence (C4I), electronic warfare, and weapons integration. ...
http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2017/April%202017/The-Israeli-F-35s.aspx
I don't think there can be any doubt that one of the Israeli's first priorities will be to integrate their "domestic" nuclear capability with the F-35, thereby directly threatening Iran (or any other ME actor), S-300 not-withstanding. The Persian's aren't stupid, so hopefully they "get it" and a sort of MAD stability settles over the ME.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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So these will be primarily air to ground birds, or air to air? Both??
From the write up, it's going to be doing a whole lot more than air to ground/interdiction work. Israel is widely known to have the best fighter pilots, but their hardware is rapidly ageing. Sure, the avionics etc have been updated but the basic F-15 and 16 airframes seem long in the tooth. Then again, I see no Super Flankers anywhere in Syria or other near enemy state. Russian SU-35's however, pose a more credible threat.
In that event, do you think the Adir would be pressed into an air superiority role? Perhaps similar to how F-22's team with USAF F-15's today???
From the write up, it's going to be doing a whole lot more than air to ground/interdiction work. Israel is widely known to have the best fighter pilots, but their hardware is rapidly ageing. Sure, the avionics etc have been updated but the basic F-15 and 16 airframes seem long in the tooth. Then again, I see no Super Flankers anywhere in Syria or other near enemy state. Russian SU-35's however, pose a more credible threat.
In that event, do you think the Adir would be pressed into an air superiority role? Perhaps similar to how F-22's team with USAF F-15's today???
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Lockheed VP: 'There’s a part of Israel in every F-35'
04 May 2017 Barbara Opall-Rome
"...As for the remaining 25 aircraft pre-approved for Israel by Washington, Israel Air Force officials are beginning to speak openly about its desire for the F-35B-Short Takeoff and Landing (STOVL) model.
“We understand that [STOVL] brings a different concept for fighter planes in general and for the F-35 in particular… I expect we will be involved in this here in Israel as we go forward,” Brig. Gen. Eyal Grinboym, commander of the F-35’s home base at Nevatim, told the same air power gathering.
In his address, Grimboym praised the aircraft for its performance, “fully-autonomous attack capabilities” and “the new concept” that it is introducing into the service’s entire frontline fighter force. He noted that the Israel Air Force is working to build new structures at his desert base in southern Israel to more appropriately accommodate the F-35 fleet.
As for North, the title of his lecture to the gathering was simply “F-35B STOVL,” further indication of the growing interest here in the short-takeoff and landing variant. In an interview prior to his conference address, North declined to say how far along the firm was in discussions with Israel on potential acquisition of the F-35B.
Nevertheless, North, a former commander of U.S. Air Force operations in the Pacific and Middle East theaters, said the B-model offers unique added value in scenarios where assets may have to operate from dispersed locations.
“The recent US Tomahawk strike into Syria demonstrates that fixed airfields could be destroyed or made unusable for a short period of time. So the B-model, with short takeoff and vertical landing, is a phenomenal platform that brings operational flexibility.”"
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Israeli air force to receive unique test F-35
24 May 2017 Arie Egozi
"Israel's air force will take delivery of an additional Lockheed Martin F-35 in 2020 with a special suite of test instrumentation. "This unique aircraft, which was not part of any other F-35 contract, will enable us to begin the work of upgrading the capabilities of this aircraft so that it answers our special operational requirements," says the commander of the air force's test centre, identified only as Lt Col Shlomy.
The unique test aircraft is being manufactured according to specifications that took two years to prepare, he adds. It will be used to enhance the type's capabilities during air-to-air and air-to-ground missions.
"All our platforms have been upgraded to enable stretching the flight envelope while using the unique weapon systems made by Israeli industry," Shlomy says.
Planned updates to Israel's operational F-35I "Adir" fighters will be "directly connected" to the type's scheduled maintenance programme, "in order to not disrupt the aim of the shortest time on the ground between complex missions"."
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In August 2012 Lockheed Martin received a $206 million award from the U.S. Navy Naval Air Systems Command, covering the development and integration of Israeli systems in the F-35A. Part of a larger package, the integration support agreement with Lockheed Martin covers a $450 million program to enhance Electronic Warfare (EW) equipment on the F-35, and integrate Israeli-unique systems beginning in 2016.
--...To further extend the F-35’s range, Lockheed Martin is exploring an innovative concept from Israel, of using unique drop tanks, developed by Elbit Systems Cyclone. Designed in a similar concept to the F-22 under-wing drop tanks, these tanks, each containing 425 gal. of fuel, will use special attachment pylons that would completely separate from the wing, regaining full stealth capability after separation. An additional 900 (850) gal. of fuel (EFT)will significantly extend the F-35I range, enabling the IAF to operate its new stealth fighter at the “outer ring” of operation without mandatory aerial refueling."
....So what other "current" Israeli weapons can be tested and added to the F-35I??
- "The Israeli Air Force plans to arm the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II fighters with Python-5 missiles."
- "the I-Derby RAFAEL utilized a new, Software Defined Active Radar seeker, based on combat-proven seeker developed by RAFAEL for the Tamir missile, used with the company’s Iron Dome counter Rocket, Artillery and Missile (C-RAM) system. Using an active radar for target seeking, the missiles enables multi-shot engagement from - air-launched platforms. With this sensor and its signal processing algorithms the missile enables look-down/shoot-down capability, and advanced operating modes, adding to the ‘fire and forget’. Further improvements are enabled for the missile’s ECCM capability, tailoring the weapon’s behavior to the customer’s operational requirements.
- The I-Derby ER incorporates the innovative I-Derby RF seeker combined with a dramatic increase of kinematic performance (up to 100Km)
- The Advanced Naval Attack Missile is a new member in MBT Missile's family of naval attack missiles. The missile uses an advanced active radar seeker and a sophisticated weapon control system to achieve very high operational effectiveness. With dimensions similar to the Exocet and Harpoon, Gabriel-5 represents the latest member to IAI's Gabriel Missile family of naval attack missiles. The new Gabriel 5 is designed to offer superior performance compared to most contemporary missiles, particularly when employed in littoral waters against sophisticated soft- and hard-kill protected targets.
- SPICE is fully operational and has recently demonstrated outstanding combat performance in all parameters to become one of the Israeli Air Force's leading air-to-surface weapon systems. Spice guidance kits convert 1000 lb and 2000 lb general purpose and penetration warheads into precision stand-off strike weapons (Spice-1000 and Spice-2000). SPICE-1000 kit for 1000 lb. general purpose or penetration warheads, such as MK-83 and RAP1000, with a stand-off range of 100 kilometers. SPICE-2000 kit for 2000 lb. general purpose or penetration warheads, such as MK-84, RAP2000 and BLU-109, with a stand-off range of 60 kilometers.
- SPICE-250 - the latest addition to the SPICE family - is a new generation stand-off Precision Guided Munition (PGM). SPICE-250 has a standoff range of 100 kilometers. The SPICE-250 is an autonomous weapon with real time target position update capability. SPICE-250 is a unitary munition and can be equipped with either general purpose or penetration warheads. Aircraft increase load-out and wide target set provide the optimal solution for high volume precise strike for the dynamic battlefield. SPICE is easily integrated onto a wide range of single and dual-seated fighter aircraft, and requires no aircraft modifications. SPICE-250 uses a common aircraft interface and sophisticated Smart Quad Rack (SQR) that simplifies the effort needed for aircraft integration. Four SPICE-250 weapons are carried on each SQR. SPICE-250 can be directly mounted on light attack aircraft store stations, due to its small size and light weight. SPICE is fully operational and has recently demonstrated outstanding combat performance in all parameters to become one the Israeli Air Force's leading air-to-surface weapon systems.
...I'm sure there are others but these seem to cover the gamut of US weapons, todate.
...what no lasers, no chameleon camo, no twice as fast and twice as far Israeli magic??
...has UAI been released to the NATO allies?
--...To further extend the F-35’s range, Lockheed Martin is exploring an innovative concept from Israel, of using unique drop tanks, developed by Elbit Systems Cyclone. Designed in a similar concept to the F-22 under-wing drop tanks, these tanks, each containing 425 gal. of fuel, will use special attachment pylons that would completely separate from the wing, regaining full stealth capability after separation. An additional 900 (850) gal. of fuel (EFT)will significantly extend the F-35I range, enabling the IAF to operate its new stealth fighter at the “outer ring” of operation without mandatory aerial refueling."
....So what other "current" Israeli weapons can be tested and added to the F-35I??
- "The Israeli Air Force plans to arm the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II fighters with Python-5 missiles."
- "the I-Derby RAFAEL utilized a new, Software Defined Active Radar seeker, based on combat-proven seeker developed by RAFAEL for the Tamir missile, used with the company’s Iron Dome counter Rocket, Artillery and Missile (C-RAM) system. Using an active radar for target seeking, the missiles enables multi-shot engagement from - air-launched platforms. With this sensor and its signal processing algorithms the missile enables look-down/shoot-down capability, and advanced operating modes, adding to the ‘fire and forget’. Further improvements are enabled for the missile’s ECCM capability, tailoring the weapon’s behavior to the customer’s operational requirements.
- The I-Derby ER incorporates the innovative I-Derby RF seeker combined with a dramatic increase of kinematic performance (up to 100Km)
- The Advanced Naval Attack Missile is a new member in MBT Missile's family of naval attack missiles. The missile uses an advanced active radar seeker and a sophisticated weapon control system to achieve very high operational effectiveness. With dimensions similar to the Exocet and Harpoon, Gabriel-5 represents the latest member to IAI's Gabriel Missile family of naval attack missiles. The new Gabriel 5 is designed to offer superior performance compared to most contemporary missiles, particularly when employed in littoral waters against sophisticated soft- and hard-kill protected targets.
- SPICE is fully operational and has recently demonstrated outstanding combat performance in all parameters to become one of the Israeli Air Force's leading air-to-surface weapon systems. Spice guidance kits convert 1000 lb and 2000 lb general purpose and penetration warheads into precision stand-off strike weapons (Spice-1000 and Spice-2000). SPICE-1000 kit for 1000 lb. general purpose or penetration warheads, such as MK-83 and RAP1000, with a stand-off range of 100 kilometers. SPICE-2000 kit for 2000 lb. general purpose or penetration warheads, such as MK-84, RAP2000 and BLU-109, with a stand-off range of 60 kilometers.
- SPICE-250 - the latest addition to the SPICE family - is a new generation stand-off Precision Guided Munition (PGM). SPICE-250 has a standoff range of 100 kilometers. The SPICE-250 is an autonomous weapon with real time target position update capability. SPICE-250 is a unitary munition and can be equipped with either general purpose or penetration warheads. Aircraft increase load-out and wide target set provide the optimal solution for high volume precise strike for the dynamic battlefield. SPICE is easily integrated onto a wide range of single and dual-seated fighter aircraft, and requires no aircraft modifications. SPICE-250 uses a common aircraft interface and sophisticated Smart Quad Rack (SQR) that simplifies the effort needed for aircraft integration. Four SPICE-250 weapons are carried on each SQR. SPICE-250 can be directly mounted on light attack aircraft store stations, due to its small size and light weight. SPICE is fully operational and has recently demonstrated outstanding combat performance in all parameters to become one the Israeli Air Force's leading air-to-surface weapon systems.
...I'm sure there are others but these seem to cover the gamut of US weapons, todate.
...what no lasers, no chameleon camo, no twice as fast and twice as far Israeli magic??
...has UAI been released to the NATO allies?
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Israel Completes Order For 50 Lockheed Martin F-35 Fighter jets
Israel's Ministry of Defense recently sent a letter to the US Department of Defense to complete the purchase of 17 F-35 jets, Israel's Walla News reported on Thursday. Each plane costs approximately US$100 million. The acquisition was first announced in November 2016, and brings the total number of F-35s purchased by Israel to 50.
Israel is the only country in the Middle East to have the jet, which was not included in the recent arms deal signed between the US and Saudi Arabia.
The Israeli version of the F-35, the "Adir", had its first test flight at the Lockheed Martin facility in Fort Worth, Texas in July 2016. Five of the planes are currently in operation out of southern Israel's Nevatim air base, with two more due to arrive in August, a further two in September, and nine additional planes in 2018.
Israel is also expected to receive a test plane for experimenting with new technologies.
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/19526/ ... Tq7ietHarU
Israel's Ministry of Defense recently sent a letter to the US Department of Defense to complete the purchase of 17 F-35 jets, Israel's Walla News reported on Thursday. Each plane costs approximately US$100 million. The acquisition was first announced in November 2016, and brings the total number of F-35s purchased by Israel to 50.
Israel is the only country in the Middle East to have the jet, which was not included in the recent arms deal signed between the US and Saudi Arabia.
The Israeli version of the F-35, the "Adir", had its first test flight at the Lockheed Martin facility in Fort Worth, Texas in July 2016. Five of the planes are currently in operation out of southern Israel's Nevatim air base, with two more due to arrive in August, a further two in September, and nine additional planes in 2018.
Israel is also expected to receive a test plane for experimenting with new technologies.
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/19526/ ... Tq7ietHarU
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