Israel Pays for Additional F-35s

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Unread post13 Dec 2016, 18:04

Israel and Greece have excellent military cooperation, but Greece is certainly interested in finding out how stealthy the F-35 really is compared to their equipment, given that Turkey is to aquire the fighter.
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Unread post13 Dec 2016, 19:06

Boman wrote:Israel and Greece have excellent military cooperation, but Greece is certainly interested in finding out how stealthy the F-35 really is compared to their equipment, given that Turkey is to aquire the fighter.


And how will it do that?
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Unread post13 Dec 2016, 19:52

bring_it_on wrote:

Yeah, but who won the dogfight? :devil:
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post13 Dec 2016, 20:08

Boman wrote:Israel and Greece have excellent military cooperation, but Greece is certainly interested in finding out how stealthy the F-35 really is compared to their equipment, given that Turkey is to aquire the fighter.

Sorry but... these two had Luneberg / Luneburg Lens fitted... therefore not stealthy:
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Unread post14 Dec 2016, 07:16

PICTURES: First two F-35s delivered to Israel
13 Dec 2016 Arie Egozi

"...According to the air force, each of the pilots performed 32 simulator missions while there, but did not actually fly the aircraft. As training continues, US instructors will assist in the first airborne sorties carried out by Israeli personnel."

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Unread post14 Dec 2016, 10:32

Even with a set of CFTs (450 gallons) and 300 + 2x370 drop tanks and internal storage, Sufa in that video still has less fuel than F-35A in internal stores with zero drag penalty. While targeting pod can be mounted on dedicated hardpoint on the intake, I am not sure EW pod can, so that leaves exactly one weapon station available (3 AA missiles + AG weapon/ 4 AA missiles). F-35A can match payload now and will exceed it in the near future... all internal, not to mention other things like quality of avionics, stealth and so on. :shock:
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Unread post14 Dec 2016, 21:32

Analysis: Israeli F-35s to become 'big data' gatherers



In a move that reflected the Israeli Air Force's (IAF's) intention to use its newest aircraft to empower its entire fleet, its first two Lockheed Martin F-35A 'Adir' Joint Strike Fighters flew their first training flight alongside F-16I 'Sufa' multirole fighters on 13 December, just a day after they arrived at Nevatim Air Base.

The arrival of the new aircraft made Israel the first country to have F-35s based outside the United States.

The hour-long joint flight with the F-16Is was symbolic of the ongoing initiative to integrate fourth- and fifth-generation aircraft, an effort that began years before the F-35's arrival. The inter-connectivity programme is led by the IAF's Ofek (Horizon) computer programming unit.

Ofek is creating a network that will enable F-35 jets to share the large quantity of data they are expected to gather during flights with the IAF's F-16s and F-15s, thereby improving the older aircraft's situational awareness.

The ability of F-35s to share their data with the rest of the IAF has been a key Israeli focus, and the Israel Defense Forces intend to connect ground forces to the F-35-fed intelligence picture as well.

Speaking in June, IAF Chief Major General Amir Eshel said the F-35 will significantly upgrade intelligence-gathering, as well as the ability to strike very large numbers of targets with guided air-to-surface weapons.

He said that the F-35s will be a key component in the IAF's goal of creating "intelligence 24-7" and said the data they will gather will be sent to ground-based processing centres within seconds of being obtained, where it will be rapidly turned into operational intelligence.

IHS Jane's understands that the IAF will probably begin using the new aircraft soon for advanced intelligence gathering missions.

Officially, the IAF has said that the new platforms will become operational in December 2017.

Lieutenant Colonel Yotam (full name withheld), who commands the IAF's first F-35 squadron, dubbed 'Golden Eagle', outlined the steps that need to be taken to get the aircraft operational to the IAF's official website.

"We will, at first, ensure that we are providing the appropriate safety envelope for the plane's activities. We will train ourselves, and we will develop combat doctrines. Only after the plane receives an in-depth check, and after we feel ready, will we embark on operational activities," he said.

After touching down at Nevatim on 12 December, the IAF's two F-35s were taken to an underground facility where technical personnel began preparing them for the training flight with the assistance of teams from Lockheed Martin and the US Air Force.

Earlier this year, the IAF Chief of Staff Brigadier General Tal Kelman confirmed that Israel will install its own cyber defences on the aircraft.

Israeli ministers from the cabinet's National Security Committee approved on 27 November the acquisition of 17 additional F-35As fighter jets, which will bring the total on order up to 50, sufficient for two squadrons.

The Israeli government is also weighing a request by the IAF to purchase a squadron of the F-35B short take-off and vertical landing variant, which would be useful if runways are damaged by missile attacks.
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Unread post14 Dec 2016, 21:43

Thanks for that 'bring_it_on' and I always like these sentiments for other air forces - to encourage the others to do same.
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Unread post15 Dec 2016, 21:25

Israel’s First F-35s Delivered to VIP Reception
15 Dec 2016 Chris Pocock

"...The F-35s for Israel are being flown directly to the country for flight training; those for other F-35 partner nations that have already received F-35s remain in the U.S. for this purpose. The first pair for the IAF was ferried by U.S. pilots via Lajes AFB, refueled by U.S. Air Force tankers. However, a cadre of pilots from the first IAF squadron—No 140 “Golden Eagles”—did conduct 32 simulator sorties each at Luke AFB over a four-month period. This allowed two of them to make their first F-35 flights from Nevatim just 16 hours after the new jets arrived. American F-35 instructor pilots have been sent to Nevatim to aid the training. The IAF is planning to conduct 50percent of its F-35 pilot training in simulators, in the U.S. until 2018 and thereafter in a purpose-built facility at Nevatim.

Israel’s “acquisition” of F-35s is effectively a military aid transfer from the U.S., and most of the 50 that the IAF is expected to receive will be paid for from within the new 10-year, $38 billion security assistance pact that Washington agreed with Tel Aviv last September. Lockheed Martin will receive an average of $110 million per aircraft from the U.S. government. The first 19 to arrive will be F-35A models, whereas the second batch of 14 will be delivered to the F-35I standard with Israeli-specific avionic, C4I and other systems. The 19 F-35As will subsequently be modified as F-35Is. The IAF has not yet formally committed to a further 17 aircraft that would form a third squadron. There has been speculation that these could be F-35B STOVL versions, to provided added operational insurance in case of an disabling attack on Israeli air bases.

In another departure from the procedures being established for the main F-35 international partners, the U.S. will allow Israel to perform depth maintenance (eg D-checks) on its F-35s in-country. A new facility is also being added at Nevatim for this purpose, and the airbase is also having new hardened aircraft shelters (HAS) constructed to house the “Adirs.”..."

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Unread post18 Jan 2017, 10:33

http://www.defencetalk.com/israeli-air- ... tie-68832/

Israeli Air Force Flies First F-35 Night Sortie

The pair of “Adir” (F-35I) stealth fighters took off for their first night flight in the IAF this evening, only a month after landing in Israel. “We are performing a night flight very quickly in comparison to other aircraft that were integrated in the IAF”, said Lt. Col. Yotam, Commander of the “Golden Eagle” Squadron that received the “Adir”. “It’s a significant statement that says that to us, there is no difference between a day flight and a night flight”.

“Night flights are not unusual occurrences”, stated Lt. Col. Yotam. “The aircraft’s systems allow for comfortable flight at night, that is almost identical to a day flight. Despite this, like in every mission, we operate slowly and in a supervised manner, while performing in-depth risk management. Tonight, we are examining how the aircraft’s night vision systems fit with the flight familiar to us”...

“The F-35 program is in development”, said IAF Chief of Air Staff, Brig. Gen. Tal Kelman. “As expected from a complex, in-development program of a fighter aircraft, defects are being discovered, similarly to other development programs of different platforms we acquired in the past. The majority of the defects are software defects, and if necessary, corrections and changes are made. The program maintains complete transparency with its customers and is obligated to provide full security in the operation of the aircraft.”
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post19 Jan 2017, 02:43

No complaints about the HMDS being too bright? :-D
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post19 Jan 2017, 07:19

The brightness issue emanates when looking at dim ship lights in an otherwise 'black hole' no moon no horizon no stars overcast black night at sea. You perhaps need to see it to believe it. :devil: Trust me it is black as the ACE of SPADES.

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Unread post22 Jan 2017, 04:23

2 page PDF of the entire article is attached below....
Mighty vision for Israel’s new Adir
24-30 Jan 2017 ARIE EGOZI

"...Israeli air force (IAF) commander Maj Gen Amir Eshel summed up the significance of the event: “The Adir is about to become a powerful accelerator for the entire IAF. We plan on leveraging our systemic abilities to new heights in attack and defence.

“Our aerial force will be much deadlier, combined and more relevant than ever.”

Israel has big plans for the jets, including some “customisation” to meet its specific requirements. But those responsible for making the F-35 the “accelerator” that Eshel expects must rue the day, back in 2010, that Israel turned down the chance – it is thought for financial reasons – to become a full partner in the programme. At that time Israel passed up the opportunity to put its mark on the F-35’s design, but that is turning out to be the least of its problems.

FALLING BEHIND
At that time, Israeli industry sources described the non-partnership status as anything from a “big problem” to a “disaster”. They were not talking about the money they would lose by not being able to put, for example, some “super advanced” missiles on the stealth fighter. Rather, their concern was, and remains, that if Israel were not a full member of the programme, its ability to develop top-of- the-line systems would remain at least one technological generation behind.

...While Israel may not enjoy the benefits of full programme partnership, it is making every possible effort to leverage the massive purchase of the aircraft for the development of new systems. One example is a command, control, communications and computing system developed for the Adir by IAI.

IAI says the system will enable the air force to better manage, and rapidly field, networked applications that interface with core services over proprietary protocols developed especially for it. Using generic communications infrastructure based on the latest software-defined radios, IAI’s new system will provide the backbone of Israel’s future airborne communications network.

IAI claims this network will be a dramatic improvement over legacy systems now operating with its fleet of earlier-generation F-15s and F-16s.

NETWORKED WARFARE
The new open-architecture system promises rapid software and hardware development cycles that will also provide more affordable modernisation and support of systems over the platform’s life cycle. And, IAI says, it also paves the way for additional advanced capabilities to be embedded in the F-35I.

“This cutting-edge avionic system represents an ‘operational quantum leap’ in the capability of air power to conduct networked-centric air warfare,” Cohen says. “It is part of a major change that takes place once in a decade, which includes the upgrading of fourth generation systems. This programme will be critical to our national security, as it represents a shift in air force concepts of operations and operational capabilities.”

The system has been designed based on the vast operational experience of the air force in a large range of combat missions. The service wants its F-35 test aircraft delivered as early as possible, to begin adapting Israeli weapon systems to the platform.

The F-35I contract for Israel includes one test aircraft that will be operated by the air force’s flight test centre. According to Lt Col Ori, the chief flight test engineer at the centre, the test asset will have an operational capability. But its main mission will be to enable the development of Israeli systems that will enhance the F-35’s capabilities.

“We will have to test Israeli-made weapons systems, so that they can be carried in the weapons bay of the aircraft and test it under different situations,” Ori says.

Immediately after the first F-35 contract was signed with the US, the Israeli defence ministry and the air force approved the development of special versions of Israeli weapon systems for the aircraft. For example, Rafael is working on adapting its Python 5 and Derby air-to-air missiles. The company’s Litening 5 targeting pod is also in the adaptation process.

The delivery of the first two F-35s to Israel is the beginning of a “crawling” process that will adapt the stealth fighter to the nation’s unique operational requirements. The USA may not be entirely happy to allow Israel to penetrate some core systems of the aircraft, but judging from the past experience with types like the F-15 and F-16, the local effort should bring some additional capabilities to the Adir."

Source: 24-30 January 2017 | Flight International
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