Israel pays for additional F-35s

mas · by **mas** » 31 Aug 2017, 19:31

fang wrote:Delivery of two F-35 jets delayed over issue in different model
https://www.timesofisrael.com/delivery- ... ent-model/

Does anyone know what's the problems with the other US aircraft?

“The manufacturer found a trivial mishap in the fuel pipe of model B planes, while our planes are model A. But the manufacturer wanted to be sure that the model A's don’t have the same problem, so he asked our approval to delay the arrival to next week. Of course, we agreed.”

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... ority.html

neptune · by **neptune** » 31 Aug 2017, 21:05

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Two-F- ... yed-503713

Two F-35s due to land in Israel next week delayed

By Anna Ahronheim
August 29, 2017 19:32

USAF takes decision after technical problems found in other jets.

The arrival of two F-35 “Adir” stealth fighter jets expected to land in Israel next week have been delayed by the United States Air Force in order to complete technical tests in one of the planes. afjag

While there were no problems discovered in the Israeli jets, “according to the decision of the US Air Force, the arrival of the two F-35 ‘Adir’ jets will be delayed for a short period of time in order to complete the technical inspection of aircraft,” the IDF said on Tuesday. Israel, which has already received five F-35 “Adir” jets now being tested by the IAF, was supposed to receive the two jets in the coming days and another two jets by November. afjag

The Jewish state is expected to announce initial operation capability of the first squadron by December 7. The delay will not affect the planned IOC declaration in December, the IDF said. While touted as the world’s most advanced jet, the F-35 is a controversial plane with a long series of failures and delays.

..... On Sunday, Israel completed the acquisition process of an additional 17 F-35 stealth jets whose delivery is to be made by December 2024, bring the total in the Israel Air Force to 50. The planes are being purchased as part of the military aid agreement with the United States. In the first deal, Israel purchased 19 F-35s at a cost of $125 million each, and a second agreement for 14 jets saw Jerusalem pay $112m. per plane. The cost of the plane is expected to drop to around $80m. in the coming years.

Built in the United States by Lockheed Martin, the Israeli F-35s have components built by Israeli companies, including Israel Aerospace Industries, which produced the outer wings, Elbit System-Cyclone, which built the center fuselage composite components and Elbit Systems Ltd., which manufactured the helmets worn by the pilots. The jets were designed to Israel’s specifications and will be embedded with Israeli-made electronic warfare pods as well as Israeli weaponry, all set to be installed once the planes are in Israel...

ricnunes · by **ricnunes** » 31 Aug 2017, 21:40

gc wrote: Anyone knows if the ALR-94 and ASQ-239 system can collect and store raw data for analysis in the lab in a similar manner to traditional SIGINT platforms?

Actually I have the exact same question :wink:

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 31 Aug 2017, 23:31

5Gens have been called 'antenna farms' so maybe they're hinting at some thing.

mas · by **mas** » 01 Sep 2017, 21:57

The Israeli Air Force (IAF) has hurried to smooth any ruffled feathers. “Everything is fine, and there is no malfunctioning that is relevant to us,” a high-level IAF source told Al-Monitor, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “The manufacturer found a trivial mishap in the fuel pipe of model B planes, while our planes are model A. But the manufacturer wanted to be sure that the model A's don’t have the same problem, so he asked our approval to delay the arrival to next week. Of course, we agreed.”

http://tinyurl.com/y98ev6jo

sunstersun · by **sunstersun** » 04 Sep 2017, 16:03

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.810426

The A version, which is what the 50 F-35s Israel is committed to buying are, is not only the most expensive version of the aircraft but the least sophisticated; version B will have the ability to take off and land on shorter runways and even vertically.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.810426

The pure ignorance surrounding this program is insane.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 04 Sep 2017, 16:12

I cannot read the article - only this part from the Headline & sub headline I guess:

F-35 Jets Deal: Did Israel Waste $200 Million by Buying Too Soon?
04 Sep 2017 Hagai Amit

"Critics of the follow-on order for 17 of the fighter jets, whose terms were completed last week, say the air force should have waited till the price fell and the bugs were fixed...."

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.810426

That may be a point however there is no time like the present as has been explained by a few Israeli Air Force generals. A link in the above article points to this one - which I can read - go figure.

Israel Takes Delivery of Three New F-35 Stealth Fighter Jets
23 Apr 2017 Gili Cohen

"...An IAF officer who was involved in the procurement process and who spoke on the condition of anonymity said that whereas in the first F-35 procurement deal, consisting of 33 planes, each plane cost around $100 million, in the deal signed in November for the purchase of 17 planes the per-unit cost dropped to around $85 million. The planes are purchased as part of the military aid agreement between Israel and the United States."

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.785194

pmi · by **pmi** » 04 Sep 2017, 17:30

The A version, which is what the 50 F-35s Israel is committed to buying are, is not only the most expensive version of the aircraft but the least sophisticated;

Where in the world did they come up with that idea?

neptune · by **neptune** » 04 Sep 2017, 19:38

pmi wrote:
The A version, which is what the 50 F-35s Israel is committed to buying are, is not only the most expensive version of the aircraft but the least sophisticated;

Where in the world did they come up with that idea?

...consider the source!

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 11 Sep 2017, 17:44

OK so Israel is paying for additional F-35's. And what I got out of this thread was that they're acquiring them ASAP regardless of unit cost dropping as time goes on. The comment about seeing the entire middle east once airborne, their zeal about buying more/considering the B speaks volumes.

Lets be honest: Acquiring the F-35 means they now have the ability to hit Iran's nuclear sites. Sure, the range is a stretch but we've seen how they've done it before. To me, their enthusiasm for the says it all.

The US has a winner, and it won't be long before there will be thousands in service - leap frogging Russian 4++ designs in the process

sunstersun · by **sunstersun** » 13 Sep 2017, 15:42

https://www.timesofisrael.com/two-more- ... l-from-us/

2 week delay and back on schedule.

wrightwing · by **wrightwing** » 13 Sep 2017, 17:06

sunstersun wrote:http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.810426

The A version, which is what the 50 F-35s Israel is committed to buying are, is not only the most expensive version of the aircraft but the least sophisticated; version B will have the ability to take off and land on shorter runways and even vertically.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.810426

The pure ignorance surrounding this program is insane.

The pure ignorance surrounding this post is insane. The A model is the least expensive (the C model is the most expensive), and all 3 variants have the exact same avionics/sensors/etc.....

sunstersun · by **sunstersun** » 13 Sep 2017, 17:30

wrightwing wrote:
sunstersun wrote:http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.810426

The A version, which is what the 50 F-35s Israel is committed to buying are, is not only the most expensive version of the aircraft but the least sophisticated; version B will have the ability to take off and land on shorter runways and even vertically.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.810426

The pure ignorance surrounding this program is insane.

The pure ignorance surrounding this post is insane. The A model is the least expensive (the C model is the most expensive), and all 3 variants have the exact same avionics/sensors/etc.....

In fact the A model is the only plane with internal guns.

People say wikipedia shouldn't be a valid source, yet actual journalists would benefit from it.

SpudmanWP · by **SpudmanWP** » 13 Sep 2017, 17:39

sunstersun wrote:People say wikipedia shouldn't be a valid source, yet actual journalists would benefit from it.

Maybe if you had used it then you would have known that the F-35A is the least expensive of the three and that they all share the same avionics (ie "sophistication"). :doh:

sunstersun · by **sunstersun** » 13 Sep 2017, 18:31

SpudmanWP wrote:
sunstersun wrote:People say wikipedia shouldn't be a valid source, yet actual journalists would benefit from it.

Maybe if you had used it then you would have known that the F-35A is the least expensive of the three and that they all share the same avionics (ie "sophistication").

what i know that. it was the article who claimed the f-35A was the most expensive.