Israel Pays for Additional F-35s

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Unread post02 Aug 2018, 16:27

Why The Israelis Want A Larger, More Modern F-15 Fleet
31 Jul 2018 Arie Egozi

"...Since 2016, Israel has been busy with a deep upgrade of its F-15I (Ra’am). The Raytheon APG-82(V)1 active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radar had been selected for the program, but replacement of the old APG-70 radar has not yet taken place. The upgrade also includes structural work and installation of new systems, including a new radar.

The decision to embark on this upgrade program was made two years ago, in spite of the nation’s planned purchase of the Lockheed Martin F-35. An Israeli source says the air force is looking as far ahead as 40 years. “The F-15 has a lot of advantages. It can be equipped with Israeli-developed systems, an upgrade that can be performed on the F-35 to a clear limit,” says the source. Israel regards its F-15 fleet to be the backbone of its attacking capability. As such, it is considering the purchase of additional F-15s....

...The clear tendency in the Israeli Air Force is to first purchase additional new F-15s and only then consider whether to fulfill the original plan of 75 F-35s. In November 2016, the Israeli cabinet approved the purchase of another 17 Lockheed Martin F-35s, for a total 50 of the stealth fighters. Israeli sources say talks continue with the U.S. Defense Department about the potential purchase of 20-25 advanced F-15s...."

Source: http://aviationweek.com/defense/why-isr ... f-15-fleet
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Unread post02 Aug 2018, 18:03

spazsinbad wrote:
Why The Israelis Want A Larger, More Modern F-15 Fleet
31 Jul 2018 Arie Egozi

...As such, it is considering the purchase of additional F-15s....

...The clear tendency in the Israeli Air Force is to first purchase additional new F-15s and only then consider whether to fulfill the original plan of 75 F-35s. In November 2016, the Israeli cabinet approved the purchase of another 17 Lockheed Martin F-35s, for a total 50 of the stealth fighters. Israeli sources say talks continue with the U.S. Defense Department about the potential purchase of 20-25 advanced F-15s...."

Source: http://aviationweek.com/defense/why-isr ... f-15-fleet


I have to laugh at most of the reporting on this. People tend to hear what they want to hear. "The clear tendency", give me a break. They ordered 50 F-35s and no F-15s (nor did they update them in that time). There was much hoopla over new F-15s and then it turns out the US gave them a bunch of surplus ones.

The Israeli Air Force hasn't decided on anything yet nor has there even been a proposal to the Israeli government, but it is reported like it is a done deal. I guess saying certain parts of the Israeli Air Force are arguing for more F-15s just doesn't have the same ring.

From further in the article, we get this Gem (guess no one told all the F-15 fanboys who are drooling over the possible sale of more F-15Is or the idea of an F-15 2040/F-15X (because sources say the USAF "talked" to Boeing)).

"...We also do not believe there is high probability of sale of a new upgraded version of the F-15 to the U.S. Air Force.”
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Unread post02 Aug 2018, 19:39

One of the comments to the that latest wreck of an AvLeak article (is it even an article?) commented that the F-15 is a "bomb truck" whereas the F-35 is not. The ignorance is astounding, yet, I guess, not surprising.

Maybe USAF / USMC / USN / LM need to start flying some bombed up F-35's at the airshows. Maybe fly some of those 7 gee airshow routines with a bunch of stores hanging off the wings. Or a follow-the-leader display wherein the first F-35 is clean, and the second F-35 is dirty.

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Unread post02 Aug 2018, 23:04

steve2267 wrote:One of the comments to the that latest wreck of an AvLeak article (is it even an article?) commented that the F-15 is a "bomb truck" whereas the F-35 is not. The ignorance is astounding, yet, I guess, not surprising.

Maybe USAF / USMC / USN / LM need to start flying some bombed up F-35's at the airshows. Maybe fly some of those 7 gee airshow routines with a bunch of stores hanging off the wings. Or a follow-the-leader display wherein the first F-35 is clean, and the second F-35 is dirty.

/smh

Yeah, well, that destroys the F-35s stealth, and then it's useless. Therefore, the F-35 is bad, AND IT NEEDS TO BE BAD BECAUSE HOW ELSE ARE WE GOING TO SELL OUR OLD UPGRADED 4TH GENS AND OH GOD PLEASE MAKE THE F-35 GO AWAY
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Unread post03 Aug 2018, 01:23

These articles forget two critical facts:
1. The indigenous defense industry has a vested interest in more F-15’s. Which would Elbit and IAI rather the IAF buy? An aircraft that they have avionics and weapons integrated, or one that has limited opportunities for Israeli sourced equipment.

2. Israel wanted more F-15’s for years. They’ve been grabbing retired F-15B. Obviously they see a niche for their operational requirements outside of the F-35. Ironically, so does the USAF as they have no intention of retiring their F-15E till post 2035.


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But of course to the defense journalists, that is not a story, has to be some perceived failing of the F-35.
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Unread post03 Aug 2018, 03:14

Don't forget that recent requests for new F-15s have been contingent on upgrading their current F-15Is to the new standard, and on the US aide dime. This will likely turn out to be the same.
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Unread post16 Aug 2018, 10:38

AirForces Monthly Magazine Sep 2018 Photo: Under F-35A ADIR in Burner
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